stonedsailor Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 @BBCchrismclaug: #SPL investigation into possible dual contracts at #Rangers to be put on hold until there's clarity over newco accountability. #BBCSport @BBCchrismclaug: #SPL source: Part of newco application for membership could depend on them taking responsibility for possible past transgressions. #Rangers:) :) That should go without saying, if they want to claim history and therefore eligibility for the SPL then they must also claim the disciplinary history of the deadco, they cannot claim the good stuff and rid themselves of the bad stuff. If they want to carry on as Rangers then they must accept whatever sanctions are still to come- SPL dual contracts investigation. SFA dual contracts investigation. SFA revised disrepute punishments. SPL sanctions if newco are accepted back in. Feel free to add more if I missed any but what would be best for t'Rangers and for Scottish football as a whole would be for them to declare they are not a continuation and apply for SFL membership, in that case I would have no problem giving them a fresh start and bear no grudges against the new club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulliamwallace Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If there is a void (and actually there isn't) it will be of each diddies creation. Rangers1872/2012 aren't (for once) to blame for any lack of integrity on the part of other chairman I was referring to the time left to sell season tickets and the "void" that is the uncertainty of what will happen, will they vote them in and lose supporters and season tickets, will they vote them out, keep supporters, season tickets possibly the club alive ? At the moment it is suggested certain clubs are quickly running out of money, you might say they shouldn't put themselves into that position but they didnt, the cheats have created this whole mess, as said on newsnight last night its not like they have a few years to compensate for loss of tv money this has been thrown on them because of a cheating club ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Which is it to be - some folk on here are saying Rangers are dead, they are no more, history is gone, they no longer exist and the newco is a completely new team. Then on the other hand there is outrage that the newco are not inheriting punishments that should be handed out to the 'old' Rangers. Going by the former, why the hell should a newco be punished for something which was carried out by a completely different entity when the newco never even existed! FFS make up your mind! It's very simple. Rangers are dead. The Newco want to take over their place, and want to claim all the footballing history to go with it. If they want the footballing history, they also need to accept the bad parts of that history such as the dual contract investigation and the SFA charges. If they don't want that history, then they can't take on the license of the previous Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monrovianmonk Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Which is it to be - some folk on here are saying Rangers are dead, they are no more, history is gone, they no longer exist and the newco is a completely new team. Then on the other hand there is outrage that the newco are not inheriting punishments that should be handed out to the 'old' Rangers. Going by the former, why the hell should a newco be punished for something which was carried out by a completely different entity when the newco never even existed! FFS make up your mind! The newco should not be punished for something carried out by the oldco. If they are a newco with no link to the oldco then they shouldn't be allowed straight back in to the SPL. If they are allowed straight back in to the SPL then they are not truly a newco in the footballing sense. In that case the should be punished for the sins of the oldco and thrown out/suspended. My mind is clear 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixuismagic Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Just one little thing that we have still to hear from Green, or anyone else in any way associated to RFC (IL).... NEWCO FC apologise, without reservation, to every SPL club, SFL club, director, player, official and, most importantly, supporter for dragging Scottish football through the mud. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The Newco want to take over their place, and want to claim all the footballing history to go with it. If they want the footballing history, they also need to accept the bad parts of that history such as the dual contract investigation and the SFA charges. If they don't want that history, then they can't take on the license of the previous Rangers. The newco should not be punished for something carried out by the oldco. If they are a newco with no link to the oldco then they shouldn't be allowed straight back in to the SPL. If they are allowed straight back in to the SPL then they are not truly a newco in the footballing sense. In that case the should be punished for the sins of the oldco and thrown out/suspended. These. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Which is it to be - some folk on here are saying Rangers are dead, they are no more, history is gone, they no longer exist and the newco is a completely new team. Then on the other hand there is outrage that the newco are not inheriting punishments that should be handed out to the 'old' Rangers. Going by the former, why the hell should a newco be punished for something which was carried out by a completely different entity when the newco never even existed! A completely different entity has no right inheriting the share of an existing SPL club. It has no right to automatic entry to the league system at all. It should apply at the grass roots like all other aspiring clubs. If NewCo is voted in, then it has to be seen as a direct continuation of the old Rangers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) TBF to @BBCchrismclaug, he's also qualified that: #SPL source: Part of newco application for membership could depend on them taking responsibility for possible past transgressions. #Rangers Anyway, here's that peculiar graphic ("NOT FOOTBALL FANS") from the STV docudrama last evening: I'm of the view that all responses came from the same IP address. The red bar can be attributed to 'Good No 8' and the blue bar to 'Bad No 8'. Edited June 15, 2012 by Alert Mongoose -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambos Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The arrogance of the cheats continues. The Cheats Supporters Trust telling fans not to buy season tickets for a new football club that hasn't even been admitted to the league? I seriously hope green sticks to his guns and fucks this monstrous entity right the f**k up in any way he can and then walks away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Which is it to be - some folk on here are saying Rangers are dead, they are no more, history is gone, they no longer exist and the newco is a completely new team. Then on the other hand there is outrage that the newco are not inheriting punishments that should be handed out to the 'old' Rangers. Going by the former, why the hell should a newco be punished for something which was carried out by a completely different entity when the newco never even existed! FFS make up your mind! If they are a brand new entity they have no right to a league place, let alone an SPL place. They should start in the West of Scotland leagues and wait for a vacancy (once they have been established for at least 3 years) or pyramid system to get into the senior leagues. If they are zombie Rangers they should have to answer for dual contracts, and if guilty should imo be expelled from the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartinMain Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 It's absolutely astonishing that the SPL should choose to delay the dual contracts investigation after their completely inept handling of the matter so far. The evidence that is already in the public domain is damning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I was referring to the time left to sell season tickets and the "void" that is the uncertainty of what will happen, will they vote them in and lose supporters and season tickets, will they vote them out, keep supporters, season tickets possibly the club alive ? At the moment it is suggested certain clubs are quickly running out of money, you might say they shouldn't put themselves into that position but they didnt, the cheats have created this whole mess, as said on newsnight last night its not like they have a few years to compensate for loss of tv money this has been thrown on them because of a cheating club ? If the reliance on Rangers (and, wider, the OF) has left them wide open to the collapse of one (or indeed both) then they have, to be honest, mismanged things - at their club and in the SPL. Control what you can control - everything else is risk Edit: If we were discussing finances in the context of Celtic fucking off to England, would you be that bothered about how prepared everyone else was? This isn't much different (in effect) Edited June 15, 2012 by The Old Northerner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monrovianmonk Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Martin Williams @Martin1WilliamsFormer #Rangers midfielder Gennaro Gattuso won't be returning to Glasgow having agreed a two-year deal with FC Sion, the Swiss club hohoho 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartinMain Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Dont know if its been posted but pretty good article in The Sun by Bill Leckie!! I am all for the bit right at the end. Let Newco play Sellick 38 times a season in their own wee league and let the rest of us get on with it!!! http://www.thescotti...conditions.html No thanks mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Martin Williams @Martin1Williams Former #Rangers midfielder Gennaro Gattuso won't be returning to Glasgow having agreed a two-year deal with FC Sion, the Swiss club hohoho Of all the teams to pick... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unitedlad Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 A completely different entity has no right inheriting the share of an existing SPL club. It has no right to automatic entry to the league system at all. It should apply at the grass roots like all other aspiring clubs. If NewCo is voted in, then it has to be seen as a direct continuation of the old Rangers Thats fine, I'm not a Rangers fan and not fussed either way. But if the Newco is punished and/or seen as a direct continuation, then the history/5 stars etc etc all comes too, as hard to take as it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harper Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Today was the (extended) deadline for audited accounts to be submitted, right ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BartinMain Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Today was the (extended) deadline for audited accounts to be submitted, right ? Correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordHawHaw Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 The dual contracts which should see Rangers expelled from the SPL and then the SFA have been blocked by the SPL up to this point..Thomson at Channel 4 has obviously spooked the SPL. It really is quite sickening what we are allowing Rangers to get away with 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Old Northerner Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thats fine, I'm not a Rangers fan and not fussed either way. But if the Newco is punished and/or seen as a direct continuation, then the history/5 stars etc etc all comes too, as hard to take as it is. That's the trade-off I reckon. SPL should = history but also possible punishment. No SPL = no history, no punishment. But they'll avoid the issue for as long as possible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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