Homer Thompson Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 My reading of it was that they would treat each situation on a case-by-case basis and impose whatever sanctions they saw fit. Don't know if they are restricted by a list. I thought I read that they had set a list of available sanctions 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Leighton Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Rangers could buy Airdrie Utd from Jim Ballantyne and go into Div 1, and possibly one year away from SPL. there'd be minor poetic justice in that considering the way they killed off Clydebank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Thanks for letting us know, Dog. Felt excluded missing out on the live event, going to crack one off over Tracey Campbell-Hynd now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnesTON Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 With St mirren/motherwell new fan ownership models going through does that increase the 'No' Votes. Celtic Hibs Dundee United Aberdeen St mirren Motherwell If it looks like a 'No' Vote goes through I can see other clubs voting 'No' as more turn. I think the positive message should be getting out there that Rangers will not be allowed back into the SPL. I really cant understand any club who vote 'Yes' they would be tarnished with that decision for a very long time. For example Romanov/Petrie can you imagine the abuse that will get thrown there way if they vote 'Yes'. Another example is Ross County/Inverness they would have a much better chance of staying up if they vote 'NO'. What are the chance of a fan base sticking by a club which votes 'Yes' and then is relegated the next season ? Can people imagine Hibs/Aberdeen being bottom 6 next season with Rangers in the top 6 after the hibs/aberdeen board vote them back in. Can you imagine Celtic losing the league in one of the next 3 seasons having voted Rangers back in. Celtic could budget to be champions of the spl for the next 3 seasons plus european money without Rangers. Celtic will be pushing for a 'NO' vote. Their current board would have 4 in a row sealed and be in a position of strength. The champions path to the champions league should see them qualify for 3/4 champions league campaigns. The money they get for europe is massive. I dont think Rangers will get back in they will go to the 3rd division. With all the other clubs wanting equality and an end to a structure that benefits Celtic and formerly Rangers RIP. Celtic might not be the definite No that everyone thinks. I expect them to hold out on the decision for as long as possible. They have got as much to lose as to gain in the long term and if they have to share out Tv money and sponsorship . Despite all the bravado of a lot of Celtic supporters on here we know without the whole rivalry with a sprinkle of bigotry the coffers will go down they need each other. So I would not take the gesturing of the Celtic support no matter how well intentioned they are but that does not mean Lawell will see it that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Leighton Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) it's a bit different. the uci took bribes from armstrong and covered up a positive test. the usps conspiracy is 100xs more serious than this. Maybe, but it doesn't change the fact that neither the SPL or SFA wish to slaughter their own cash cow, no matter how much we might want them to. They lack any slither of objectivity. Edited June 15, 2012 by Jim Leighton 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I have a quetion to ask, please. I don't reside in Scotland, so cannot gauge the general feeling 'on the ground'. On this site, the general attitude is NO NEWCO and also, maybe, NO RANGERS AT ALL. I have no problem with that but does the same attitude exist in the pubs, clubs and elsewhere in football circles as far as anyone can tell? Certain circle excepted, of course. I imagine the answer will be yes, but I just thought I'd ask. I hope you realise you're enticing P&B members to go out to pubs and clubs*. I'll head out now. * and circles. FWIW most of the diddly clubs own supporters' organisations are showing overwhelming opposition to a newco as are the main media's own reports. P&B speaks for the nation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I have a quetion to ask, please. I don't reside in Scotland, so cannot gauge the general feeling 'on the ground'. On this site, the general attitude is NO NEWCO and also, maybe, NO RANGERS AT ALL. I have no problem with that but does the same attitude exist in the pubs, clubs and elsewhere in football circles as far as anyone can tell? Certain circle excepted, of course. I imagine the answer will be yes, but I just thought I'd ask. I think so, but less vigorously and not as fundementally. P&B naturally attracts the younger and more interested/'motivated', IMO. I think most people think they shouldn't stay in SPL, but there's less opposition to SFL3 or existing at all in the wider world than on P&B. Edited June 15, 2012 by HibeeJibee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I thought I read that they had set a list of available sanctions I could be wrong; there's a first time for everything. If you do find it let me know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Sannox Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I have a quetion to ask, please. I don't reside in Scotland, so cannot gauge the general feeling 'on the ground'. On this site, the general attitude is NO NEWCO and also, maybe, NO RANGERS AT ALL. I have no problem with that but does the same attitude exist in the pubs, clubs and elsewhere in football circles as far as anyone can tell? Certain circle excepted, of course. I imagine the answer will be yes, but I just thought I'd ask. A very good point, because as you know the internet differs no end (generally) from reality, however, i'm just back from my local (again) and , all the Hibs/Hearts supporting ordinary guys that I socialise with, are all seeking the same thing.........fairness, we're getting the opposite, and without exception they want the cheats to be expelled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBairn Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I never mentioned Kilmarnock in my post. Fair enough, but everyone knows what Killie will do. So wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoryShedBoy96 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 think this might be worth buying tbh its quite funny 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillieJimbo Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Was the debt not run buildingdng thridiculouslysly big stadium and hotel. I know the Killmarnock fans are going to come on here and say "The hotel makes a profit" but the profit is so small its going to take about 100 years to pay for its self. The hotel is to blame for a lot of it, but it was built at a time when we were still spending money on players. It would be profitable if we weren't so heavily in debt - in fact Killie as a whole would be turning a very respectable near-£1 million profit yearly if it wasn't for trying to service the debt. We are in a very precarious position but I don't think our chairman realises that more damage will be done to the club by Rangers getting voted in. We just won't accept it - I'd expect to see sub 2500 crowds at Rugby Park next season if Rangers are in the SPL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Johnson has probably been the most tight arsed chairman in the whole league, the debt was run up years ago trying to chase the OF while Rangers were starting all their illegal shit. Don't get me wrong though, he's a complete fud and an embarrassment to our club, he's just not been running up debts and has in fact reduced them by a lot. He sees all of his "good work" being undone by losing tv money but he doesn't seem to realise he'll be losing more as Killie's fanbase plummets even further. Our average gate has basically halved in 10 years, that's how bad Killie are suffering due to the OF's dominance. There are more orc's in Ayrshire than there are in glasgow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpma Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If Rangers newco don't get admitted to SPL , Dundee will be promoted to SPL, Airdrie Utd to DIV 1. Rangers could buy Airdrie Utd from Jim Ballantyne and go into Div 1, and possibly one year away from SPL. Simpler than that. Newco's bid to get admitted to the SPL fails, Dundee get promoted. Newco applies to the SFL, and take up Dundee's old spot in the First Division. The Powers that Be (and Traynor) will probably also tell us this was the best possible solution as it punishes Rangers while minimising the disruption for the rest of the SFL clubs. Or maybe I'm just getting to the morose stage of drunkenness .... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I see where you're coming from. However, the thing that sticks in my craw is that if Johnson is reckless enough to allow his Club to run up ridiculous amounts of debt in order to sign players he cannot afford then Killie deserve everything that comes their way. Time to cut your cloth and adjust like the rest of us mortals. But, as you say, this turkey sure won't be voting for Christmas. Our debt has absolutely nothing to do with Johnston, and was accrued in the late 90s early 00s. Our debt has been reduced by around £9m since he took over. His only interest is driving that debt down, and that's why he has taken the approach that he has. The majority of the debt was not from the footballing side of things, but rather from the hotel. The hotel is more or less a break even business, but it does provide income throughout the year. It also means that we are not completely reliant on the football business unlike some other clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Fair enough, but everyone knows what Killie will do. So wrong. Do we? Johnston is an employee of the rich folk that own the Killy. He'll do as he's told by his employers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee eff cee Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 I have a quetion to ask, please. I don't reside in Scotland, so cannot gauge the general feeling 'on the ground'. On this site, the general attitude is NO NEWCO and also, maybe, NO RANGERS AT ALL. I have no problem with that but does the same attitude exist in the pubs, clubs and elsewhere in football circles as far as anyone can tell? Certain circle excepted, of course. I imagine the answer will be yes, but I just thought I'd ask. My feeling is that the true fans - ie those that go to games - are, with one voice sickened by Rangers and say "No to Newco". Armchair fans like their entertainment on the telly and say "Dear, dear it's not right, but they are a big club etc and Scottish football wouldn't be as popular without them. MSM thought everyone outside Glasgow was an armchair fan and has been taken aback by the commitment of fans on P&B and other messageboards. If you care enough about Scottish football to go to a game, you see the cheating behind Rangers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Do we? Johnston is an employee of the rich folk that own the Killy. He'll do as he's told by his employers Johnston owns the club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 . P&B naturally attracts the younger and more interested/'motivated', IMO. . Oh really? I've watched Third Lanark in the old first div. Motivated yep and your'e as young as you feel Anyhoo if the end result of this fiasco is a debt free club with no sanctions playing out of Ibrox, and with the old guard of Wattie, Ally etc. in charge I don't see how HMRC and the police can fail to launch fraud and criminal investigations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sydney Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 After Green coming in to "save" the club, Smith et al come in to try to take over the new club. Here comes the next bitter battle, but this time over the new Rangers, not the old. I have to say that despite being rather suspicious of Greens intentions, I think Smith and Co have some front. Take no risk over the existing club, let someone else do all the dirty work, put the money up to start afresh, take all the flack and then jump in and try to take over by using the fans to apply pressure. Much as I can't understand Greens motivation, I can totally understand his reaction (basically piss off). Smith and Co seem to be as much a bunch of opportunists as everyone else associated with the club in recent times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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