Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[realmadrid]

The only tangible benefit I can see to Scottish society from Rangers FC, is that for the past century it has acted as a big arsehole magnet drawing the worst idiots away from every other club. My only worry now is, where are all these arseholes going to go.

Expect extra sales of Manchester (United and City), Chelsea, Arsenal, Barcelona and Real Madrid shirts. You wont get many ex Rangers fans as described above going to support their local teams. The decent fans would but the idiots will have spent years slagging their local team so would never support it.

In time the next generation of idiots would not be bigots as without something every 2 weeks it would only be on days like today that they would have a cause to fight for. The green side would also had a reduction in idiots over time and it could be all about football in Scotland again.

But its not going to happen because the SPL/SFA/SFL wont let it happen. They like it the way it is.

[realmadrid]

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Posted Yesterday, 08:32 PM

Can everyone taking part in this please let me know, so I know numbers

Also how is people doing with sponsors, I understand not everyone will raise full amount so close to the £100 will be good

Equipment needed on the day

Rucksack with

Rolls or sandwiches

2 Litres of water

2 bananas

Juice (small cartons

Flask with hot soup or tea whichever you prefer

Couple of chocolate bars ( I recommend Boost bars)

Essential Climbing equipment

Waterproof trousers

Good walking shoes ( I got a pair from Sports direct for £24.99 ) Waterproof

Fleece

Waterproof Jacket

Thermal socks and spare socks for rucksack

Mobile Phone

Good waterproof gloves

Snood (not essential but would recommend for rucksack)

Thermal wooly bunnet

I also got 2 hillwalking sticks from sports soccer for £8, makes it so much easier

If I have missed anything let me know

When are they planning to do this as my BB company are doing a sponsored climb up Ben Nevis to raise funds for a trip to Canada next summer and I would hope we have not picked the same day as "the Orcs on the big hill"

[theBOX]

No point trying to close off the Big Hill to them while you do your walk. The Big Hill must stay open.

[Itwiznaeme]

THE SPL have issued placement money to each club for last season – with the exception of soon-to-be-liquidated Rangers.

http://www.scotsman....oney-1-2406425?

SPL withholds placement money to Rangers to settle Ibrox outfit's outstanding debts to member clubs.

"The Scottish Premier League has released the placement money due to each of its clubs for last season - apart, that is, from the soon-to-be-defunct Rangers Football Club plc."

While the 11 other clubs are already in receipt of their cash, Rangers' money has been put aside by the SPL in order to settle outstanding debts.

The biggest beneficiaries will be Hearts, who are due £800,000 from the £1.5 million sale of Lee Wallace's transfer last summer. The balance is due later this month, at which point the Edinburgh club can seek restitution from the SPL.

Celtic are also owed £40,337 but have yet to make a claim for it. Dundee United are also due over £30,000 and it is understood that they have applied to have that money diverted into their account.

http://www.telegraph...mber-clubs.html

"...soon-to-be-defunct Rangers Football Club"

de·funct:

Synonyms:dead - deceased - departed - extinct - late

[killingfloorman]

The whole thing's verging on comedy. We've had the SPL/SFA try everything in the book to bully the SFL into accepting these c***s into the First, and now it turns out that the great bribe is going to be a Committee meeting sometime in November, which may or may not vote through a proposal which Neil Doncaster told all and sundry would cost Scottish football £20million (when he was trying to force through the 10 club SPL) a few months back.

I actually hope the SPL/SFA/Mediawhores keep up these same tactics because all they're going to achieve is a massive "GIRFUY" from pissed off SFL clubs.

I would alove it if the meeting went something like:

Doncaster/Regan: We strongly propose that....

SFL: Shut the f**k up. Here's what's happening. You give us cast iron guarantees of reconstruction and distribution of income immediately. Failure to do so will result in Sevco not being admitted at any level in the SFL.

Doncaster/Regan: But but but we'll bring in SPL 2 and you'll be fu...

SFL: Shut the f**k up. You can have Sevco or no Sevco. Give us what we want, NOW, or we'll fucking ruin you.

Doncaster/Regan: We'll withhold the Settlement monies...

SFL: No, you fucking won't. Because we'll sue your sorry, quivering arses and you'll be monumentally fucked, possibly insolvent and your clubs will be fucking begging to be part of the SFL again.

SFL: Anything else? No? Well sign here and f**k off with your tails between your legs.

Pure fantasy of course, but it would be absolutely terrific.

Somebody should email this to Turnbull, not that he needs any help, but it may help the others round about him to be singing from the same song sheet.

[castilla]

Rangers were punished in the name of "sporting integrity." Will anybody at the forthcoming meeting use this phrase. Because if Rangers are not placed in SPL 3, then there are a load of hypocrites in the SPL, and now I'm beginning to think the SFL too.

For all these clubs to claim the moral high ground of sporting integrity, and then wangle a deal, that goes after Rangers income generation, is the height of hypocrisy.

What an embarrassment for Scotland.

Whilst we're talking about wangling, what are the chances that Rangers will be drawn against Celtic in both of the cups ?

Edited July 12, 2012 by castilla

[Itwiznaeme]

For all these clubs to claim the moral high ground of sporting integrity, and then wangle a deal, that goes after Rangers income generation, is the height of hypocrisy.

What an embarrassment for Scotland.

I suggest you stop reading that Rangers propaganda in the Daily Record and read this instead.

What If There’s No Santa?

“If Santa knows that you’re being bad, you’ll not get any presents on Christmas Day.”

Were any of us not subjected to that threat at some point in our childhood?

What a brilliant way to keep someone in line! Invent a myth, keep repeating it until you convince your weans that it’s true and then use it to manipulate them according to your wishes. As a child, I sometimes wondered about the logistics of this remarkable operation. We all did. The whole world? In one night? Presents for every single well-behaved child? All carried on one sleigh? Seriously?

It seemed that something didn’t quite add up here but wherever I looked, everyone confirmed the reality of Santa. Parents, relatives, neighbours, teachers, random strangers all had their stories straight. Television programmes and adverts, grottos in department stores, pictures on billboards, songs on the radio, each provided further evidence that nobody except me had even noticed any of the inherent inconsistencies about this extraordinary person and his work.

Why don’t all the starving children in Africa ask for enough food to keep them alive? If his elves are making all these toys themselves, how come they look exactly the same as the ones in the shops? What’s the point of the shops trying to sell Air-fix Lancaster bomber model kits or Subbuteo sets if everyone can get one for nothing? It didn’t make sense.

On the other hand, I had a suspicion that it might be unwise to express too much scepticism. It might even cost me a train set.

By all accounts, only people who actually believed in Santa got presents from him. It finally came to the point when I not only knew beyond reasonable doubt that Santa must be a myth; I also realised that I had been surrounded by liars for years. But no sooner had I become cognisant of the Great Deception than the liars invited me to join their conspiracy. There were younger siblings and cousins who had to remain deceived and it wouldn’t do for me to blow the whistle. I calculated that by publicly maintaining the pretence that I believed in Santa, I might be able to raise the stakes for next Christmas. It was to be a red bicycle or else.

(At this point I must apologise to any readers who hadn’t yet heard the bad news that there is no Santa. If it’s any consolation, Graham Speirs knew this three weeks ago before anyone else although he didn’t bother to write about it. In any case, in a few months time the Daily Record will claim that it was the first to break the story.)

As with the Santa myth, so with the Rangers myths. One of the recurring myths is that Rangers are a financial powerhouse, an economic engine which supplies Scottish football with huge revenues upon which almost every club is almost totally reliant. According to myth, even Celtic need Rangers.

Celtic have long since grown up and don’t believe in Rangers so they have dismissed that myth. Many other clubs, however, are holding out for a red bicycle. Some will settle for a train set. So long as they are compliant and believe in Rangers, they’ll get something for nothing in defiance of all logic.

Over the course of the last decade, the mighty Rangers economic powerhouse ran itself into the ground. If the tax authorities know anything about taxes – and it seems to me to be a reasonable starting assumption that they know quite a lot – we can go on to assume that when Rangers crashed into oblivion, the hole they were in was about £140 million deep. In truth it is even deeper.

On top of the money owed to hundreds of creditors there are previous matters to consider. In 2004, the mythical billionaire Minty Moonbeams reportedly squirted a £51.4 million pound “injection” into Rangers simmering accounts after a rights issue was formulated to reduce the club’s then £73.9 million debt. In truth, the attempt to raise capital was a catastrophic failure and Murray MHL Limited, which had underwritten the share issue, was obliged to take the hit. In effect, all that happened was that some paperwork was signed so that a £50 million debt to HBOS was shifted sideways from one basket case Murray business in Ibrox to another, even worse one in Edinburgh.

The debt was never paid back before HBOS croaked. It was subsequently picked up by the tax-payer as part of Gordon Brown’s £37 billion rescue package to maintain the lifestyles of corrupt, fraudulent banksters and their cronies. We’re now getting close to £200 million of Rangers damage to other parties. But say nothing. There might be a red bicycle in it for you.

Meanwhile, despite running up the longest series of consecutive 0-3 defeats in the history of football, Rangers were awarded the championship titles on five occasions during this period, thus enabling the SPL to divert millions of pounds of prize money away from the rightful league winners and into the colossal overdraft of the mythical economic powerhouse. The SFA, hoping for a red bicycle, duly notified UEFA that Rangers would represent Scotland in the Champions league in the following season. Tens of millions of pounds worth of prize money would never reach the club which had really earned that place by playing the game according to the rules.

Five seasons of SPL and Champions League prize money take the damage up to the quarter of a billion pound mark. Yet the economic powerhouse still went bust.

There have been other substantial cash investments from dubious sources. Dave King still faces hundreds of charges of fraud, tax evasion and money-laundering in South Africa on an industrial scale. At the last count, I made it 322 charges in all. The money laundering activities relate to drugs-running operations, illegal arms deals, child pornography and a host of other unwholesome activities. Fortunately for Rangers, £25 million of the proceeds of those disgusting enterprises found its way into Dick Advocat’s warchest. Red bicycles for everyone who sees no connection.

In 1992, Joe Lewis made his fortune by launching an all out attack on the UK’s currency reserves which cost the nation a minimum of £3.4 billion pounds on Black Wednesday. To balance up the damage done to the economy, Lewis dribbled £40 million into Ibrox economic powerhouse. Red bicycles for everyone who believes forty million pounds minus three point four billion pounds equals a positive balance. No need to show your working; just believe.

And on and on and on.

Just over a year ago, Chief Constable of Strathclyde Police Stephen House was so convinced by the magnitude of Rangers’ contribution to society that he dominated the news headlines for days with his calls for ‘Old Firm’ games to be played behind closed doors or even banned altogether. Police Federation Spokesman, Les Gray, repeatedly rammed home a similar message that the country could no longer afford to bear the financial cost to the police, A&E, ambulance services and so on.

Ignore all that and collect your red bicycle on Christmas Day.

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A slight digression:

There are different methods which can be employed to control a system. Those who want to direct the behaviour of others have a number of options which range from reasoned, enlightened consensus to brutal, violent oppression. In practice, most systems are operated along the lines of one of the other options in between these extremes. The best and most efficient way for human beings to prosper together is within a co-operative, consensual group which is founded on mutual trust and respect. This has been demonstrated and proved in countless studies yet the notion is regularly undermined and dismissed.

It’s important to recognise that this co-operative model struggles to gain acceptance purely because we live in a society that is dominated by a Psychopathic Control Grid (PCG). The PCG embraces government, banking and financial systems, the military, corporate industry, the media, the advertising industry and the education system. It is utterly dependent upon its ability to control, manipulate and exploit the rest of us. To this end, it creates myths which require us to suspend our critical faculties in order to accept them.

It is clearly not in the self-interest of the type of parasites who hold positions of power within the Psychopathic Control Grid to encourage us to believe that we don’t need them. They prefer to promulgate myths such as the Survival Of The Fittest, create unnecessary confrontations and frighten us with imaginary threats from which they will “protect” us by restricting our options. The fact still remains that we are all better off when we are co-operating with each other instead of allowing ourselves to be exploited by abusers. But a smokescreen of misinformation and distortion of the true picture creates uncertainty and confusion. The Roman occupation can continue indefinitely for as long as the People’s Front of Judea argue with the Judean People’s Front, the Judean Popular People’s Front, the Campaign for a Free Galilee, and the Popular Front of Judea.

A fundamental, practical weakness of a tyrannical approach, backed by brute force, is that it is hopelessly inefficient. The overwhelming majority of those involved in such a system understand that they are being mercilessly exploited but even those who expect to emerge as winners ultimately find that their own position is insecure and constantly under threat. They are constantly running up the down escalator just to maintain position and know that will be swept back to the bottom if they ever ease up. Nevertheless, this inhuman Babylonian model is still the one which comes most naturally to a psychopath. It’s in widespread use, whether in the context of an abusive family unit, a Mafia-style organisation or an entire Police State.

In the most successful and more sophisticated variations of the model, people’s sense of their own worth is chronically undermined by a relentless tide of psychological assaults designed to rob them of confidence, security and perception. This approach reduces the need for the controllers to resort to outright physical oppression. Words themselves lose their meaning; a peace-keeping force consists almost entirely of trained warriors who are armed to the teeth; austerity measures require tens of millions of pounds to be paid to the people who collapsed the economy; rebels and insurgents are people who are trying to kick occupying forces from distant continents out of their homelands; and sporting integrity is a system whereby the biggest cheats in the history of British football are effectively given a guarantee that they will win their next league campaign, even if the rule book has to be scrapped to make it happen. There is such an overwhelming, never-ending bombardment of lies, deceits and affronts to decency that it becomes harder and harder for anyone to stand up confidently, point to the truth and say, “There it is!”

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Regardless of all that, here is the truth.

The SFL and SFA, amongst others, have dedicated themselves to the perpetuation of the Rangers Myth.

They worship at the shrine of a fake god which they have created themselves. They warn of dire consequences if puny mortals fail to venerate this mighty deity. They sacrifice honour, justice and honesty at the altar of their idol. They glorify their god through acts of bare-faced hypocrisy, blatant match-fixing and stinking corruption.

For red bicycles and Santa, read SPL money and television.

For Rudolf defying the laws of aerodynamics, read Rangers defying the fundamentals of economics.

Just as Santa could only complete his night’s work by travelling faster than the speed of light, contrary to every principle of physics, so Zombie **** can only compete in Scottish football if every inconvenient rule is deliberately broken and every sporting principle is ignored.

To those who staunchly, defiantly believe in Rangers, despite all the evidence, this is as straightforward as believing in Santa Claus.

They just have to ignore the overwhelming proofs that what they want to believe cannot possibly be true. They’ll see one club recklessly spending everyone else’s money and they’ll call it generating revenue. They’ll see tax evasion, fraud and cheating but they’ll call it financial might, vision and dignity. They must wilfully ignore that even when the now-defunct club was at its most successful it still sucked far more money out of society than it put in.

They are determined to perpetuate the myth of Rangers for the sake of a red bicycle.

But the facts are laid bare for all to see. Zombie ****, and Rangers before them, are no more a linchpin of a successful, solvent, sustainable Scottish football set-up than a letter to Santa is a solution to the banking crisis.

http://henryclarson.wordpress.com/

Edited July 12, 2012 by Itwiznaeme

[Broccoli Dog]

Rangers were punished in the name of "sporting integrity."

Please list Rangers punishments.

[ayrmad]

My fcuk, we've to wait until November and hope the 4 don't out vote our 3, away n bile yer fcuking heeds.

Do these fcukers really believe Traynors line about us all being 14 year olds in our attics.

I'd trust Gary Glitter in a creche before I'd trust the SPL and SFA.

I'm getting really fcuking scunnered with all this pish.

Get guarantees about voting share, cash distribution, minimum league size etc before we even start any discussions on Friday or we will be sold down the swanee along with our entrance money.

I'm sorry WKR, you're stuck with MJ for the time being.

[THE KING]

Please list Rangers punishments.

newco have not recieved one single punishment in fact they were given preferential treatment when they were given the chance to leapfrog 30 odd teams and go into the SPL......except they blew it with their own arrogance and threats against anyone who voted against them.

now theyre trying to claim its all about integrity and that they want to got to D3 ....but again their blind arrogance makes them think they have a given right to be ahead of huntly spartans etc.

which begs the question does anyone know what the other teams who are appling for D3 are doing about being shat on?.....something legal i hope!

[wunfellaff]

As it stands their history is 50+ league titles

1 Cup winners cup

1 Manchester riot and

130m pounds of debt.

If they want it, it's all or nothing

You missed the Cup Winners Cup riot and being unable to defend it as they were banned ( a proper 'ban', not an ineligible one )............

Re the Quo references, surprised considering the vote that nobody went with ''Down Down''.....

Wouldn't it be great if Mr Hutton immediatly tabled a motion to adjurn the meeting til say, November, before any resolution is voted on? SFL is full at the mo.....

[cowden0]

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[Pride Of The Clyde]

We are doomed

Oh dear

[cowden0]

We are doomed

Oh dear

Doncaster the man with the finger on the pulse.

[Johnstoun]

I hope someone asks Stewart Regan which other clubs will be able to decide their own punishment in future. I could just about live with Sevco in div 3, although a coach and horses has been driven through the application process as it is. If they are in D1, or if the leagues are reconstructed to move them up, then I am done.

Edited July 12, 2012 by Johnstoun

[thelegendthatis]

Lecture today to the diddy clubs from Henry McLeish. http://www.scotsman....delay-1-2406423

"We can't afford not to be able to move on after Friday," said McLeish. "Unless or until we put our house in order, a lot of people will be looking at us and saying we are not fit for 
purpose. The game is bigger than the SPL, SFL and SFA.

McLeish admits there is no hard proof of the apocalyptic figures which have been produced in recent days to illustrate the losses which would be suffered if Rangers are placed in the Third Division, but he is convinced it would cause significant problems for many clubs.

"I don't have any empirical evidence to justify it but, in terms of the research I did, there are a lot of clubs in a very precarious situation," he said. "How that would fall if Rangers went into the Third Division, you can't identify the detailed consequences.

"But there is an instinct which many people share that it wouldn't be positive for those clubs who are struggling on the margins"

The game in Scotland is currently starved of investment. Much of that has to do with ourselves. We have to put our own house in order. No-one owes us a living.

From a guy who produces the blueprint for the future of Scottish football doesn't even know the figures, basing his argument on instinct. Clown.

Yes it is starved of investment. Not because Sevco is in or out, it is because the house is NOT in order, and there is no clarity on how it will be put in order. And pathetic negotiations with TV companies. Which has its own history. Roger Mitchell got the heave ho when he screwed the BBC/Sky deal playing one against the other, P45 for Smith on the back of Setanta, Doncaster next.

But Henry was never great with numbers, except when he managed to scam, and get away with £38,000 when an MP http://www.dailymail...penny-back.html

Yes Henry we have problems of honesty and integrity at the SFA, SPL and SFL. You too are part of that problem.

Edited July 12, 2012 by thelegendthatis

[Broken Algorithms]

New Sun Propoganda: They're not listening to our journos or ex-players...lets try to use somebody off the TV to tow the line, surely they'll believe that?

[Benjamin_Nevis]

New Sun Propoganda: They're not listening to our journos or ex-players...lets try to use somebody off the TV to tow the line, surely they'll believe that?

[the jambo-rocker]

New Sun Propoganda: They're not listening to our journos or ex-players...lets try to use somebody off the TV to tow the line, surely they'll believe that?

Ballantyne was probably gamming him off while he was getting interviewed for that.

[Claymores]

New Sun Propoganda: They're not listening to our journos or ex-players...lets try to use somebody off the TV to tow the line, surely they'll believe that?

LOLOLOL - I was having a laugh with my old boy last night about who they could possibly wheel-out next to tell us we HAD to put Cevco in the 1st..............they sure blindsided our ideas with Theo Paphitis

I can see for tomorrow's Sun we're gonna have to think really out-the-box.............."Keith Harris & Orville insist any diddy plan plan to put the mighty Gers in the Third Division would mean the end of Western Civilisation"