Doink Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Looking for a wee favour.... I've been away for a week and this thread seems to have exploded again! Any chance of a wee cheeky summary of the last ten days. Willing to bribe with the hughies! Fat Sally Bonkers demands court action against Subbuteo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinnesTON Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 I think the biggest issue with accepting this line though, is that assuming guilt over the EBT/registration/undisclosed payment saga, a continuity-happy Rangers almost certainly should not be playing football at all this season as suspension would seem a minimum punishment for such misdemeanours, and should consider themselves lucky to ever be allowed to play football under the SFA umbrella again. Which makes the current plan to find a way to "let them play" while also placating everyone else as much as possible via sanctions hard to stomach. Thats the bit I don't get, the case of the EBT double contracts any decision if guilty then judgement should be issued without impunity but given the associations involved determination in allowing Rangers/The Rangers/ Sevco whatever they are will that restrict any punishment ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) No - I agree. We can't have drafts and collective bargaining. You're right. There are all manner of reasons why we couldn't adopt similar strategies with football in this country. Your oringinal point is entirely valid though. While lots of sports competitions worldwide recognise that a major selling point is to ensure a balanced landscape which gives rise to genuine competition, just about every contributor to the Rangers' debate, bar diddy fans, has seen it as their job to ensure only two sides can win, ever. We are essentially talking about institutionalised corruption. Edited July 24, 2012 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 No we can't. The facts are clear. The Rangers Newco is not a continuation of the old club, it is merely a continuation of the old club. Glad I could clear it up. That's more like it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Yeah its telling that the second best level of grid iron is college level. Hope Manning does it for you this year. But Go Colts, GO Andrew Luck!!!! BTW. Manning will be back to Indy to retire a colt. 'Pish sports that no sensible person cares about' thread for this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Sadly, there will always be two teams in the west of Scotland which are supported by extreme elements of the religious divide. Even if Celtic and Rangers both died and their stadiums pulled down another two would emerge. For Scottish football's sake I would love it if they could play in the English leagues. Sadly, for the sake of Scotland these idiots can't be relocated. I wonder if, in 100 years time our country is still poisoned by this bile. Sorry, wee dark cloud over my head just now. You've not even played a game and already the SPL depression has hit. Welcome to the big time! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Sadly, there will always be two teams in the west of Scotland which are supported by extreme elements Don't think the Ayr and Kille fans will take too kindly to this description...... unless you are describing them as extreme(ly dissappointed)....always! Yeah I know before anyone says it. this is coming from a Peterhead fan. But as no-one knows who my "big team" are then I am safe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Fat Sally Bonkers demands court action against Subbuteo Asks them to put his belly back in its rightful place and not under his feet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) 'Pish sports that no sensible person cares about' thread for this pish. Really, from an Arab??? Pot, Kettle and Tangerine! Edited July 24, 2012 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Basically, nothing happening = thread going to the dogs. Yip, very much the case I'm afraid. The last couple of days have been easily the most tedious in this thread's glorious history, whoever it belongs to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
)typically Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newco to get SFA License within 24 hours if Charles Green is to be believed. Hurah to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 We are essentially talking about institutionalised corruption. We are, and so openly too. When you have administrators of a league saying that sporting integrity has to be balanced against financial realism, with both given due regard, will the last one left please turn off the lights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueone Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newco to get SFA License within 24 hours if Charles Green is to be believed. Hurah to that. So who's backing down? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newco to get SFA License within 24 hours if Charles Green is to be believed. Hurah to that. I was told Rangers will be suspended for this season and will re emerge in the SPL next season. It better not be true -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 (edited) You're right. There are all manner of reasons why we couldn't adopt similar strategies with football in this country. You're oringinal point is entirely valid though. While lots of sports competitions worldwide recognise that a major selling point is to ensure a balanced landscape which gives rise to genuine competition, just about every contributor to the Rangers' debate, bar diddy fans, has seen it as their job to ensure only two sides can win, ever. We are essentially talking about institutionalised corruption. Well, why not? After all, we're constantly being told at least one, the deid one, is an institution. Creating a level playing field, or a balanced landscape, would be impossible without a draft-type system, as population distribution alone would always skew the competition, e.g. Brechin at some point will play in a lower league than Newco, as Newco have a bigger fan catchment, and even with the disppearance of the glory hunters, will have more fans, therefore more money and thus can buy better players. Particularly if they have more devious accountants (porn barons?) and can thus pay less tax (or none). Edited July 24, 2012 by Happy Buddie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Saints Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newco to get SFA License within 24 hours if Charles Green is to be believed. Hurah to that. No, it clearly says that he 'hopes' it can be concluded in the next 24 hours. With your knack of twisting peoples' words, you should consider working for the Daily Record. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Please, everyone. Can we agree to disagree on this? It serves no purpose to keep going over the same ground. We all* know what we WANT to happen but we can't influence it. If anyone has an idea how we COULD influence it, please say or forever haud yer wheesht. Respect * Sevco fans excluded of course. Perhaps for the benefit of this thread, yes. But there is a much more important issue at stake here: it is crucial we record exactly what has happened over the past six months, and instantly reject the revisionism that is already gathering some momentum. This isn't about 'golding' an Internet thread: it is about preserving for future generations the fact that Rangers died as a result of a liquidation procedure in the summer of 2012, and that their apparent 'continuation' is, in fact, a phoenix club. With no credible claim to the honours or history of the old club. This must be established before the PR campaigns of Sevco, the footballing authorities, the sponsors and the TV companies attempt to rebrand what is in fact an utterly discredited new club. That is far too important an argument (with possible ramifications for future clubs in administration) to be sidelined with a mealy-mouthed 'agree to disagree' truce. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Newco to get SFA License within 24 hours if Charles Green is to be believed. Hurah to that. A license? Does that get them clearance to play in the NASL? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 This is where I disagree - if the consequences of their actions should result in "the killing of Rangers FC" then that is what I want to happen. It simply should not be acceptable that there are some clubs (or in this case, one club) who we cannot apply the rules to. If that is the case, then the game is rigged from the start. However - I think that as serious as their misdemeanours are, relegation and stripping of titles would have been a sufficient punishment for me. By that token, I will be content enough if they are allowed to get on with it, so long as there is closure given if they are proven to be guilty. I don't think it needs to be treated as a special case - it's that the default position is that we need to find a way to let them play before determining punishments that is a problem. The outcome of the EBT investigation was deliberately shelved (perhaps in the hope it would all go away on its own) and that was ridiculous. I understand why the SFA feel they have to act in a certain way now, but it's really only because they've made a monstrous fuckup of it all in the first place. Agree, but there is no "killing". What we are seeing is a spectacular suicide attempt, with the "loved ones" of our governing bodies trying to keep some life in the corpse until help arrives in the form of the new season. "If we can just get them playing again it'll be alright". NO IT FUCKING WON'T! Have we all forgotten the scale of this mob's wrongdoing? A club whose sense of entitlement manifests itself any time one of its mouthpieces opens their gob and issues more threats towards the remainder of Scottish Football? Even in their so-called "wilderness years", before the moonbeams kicked in, they won more trophies than I and most other fans have ever seen our team win. Not content with being one of the top two teams by some distance in Scotland, they connived with their business partners to deny any reasonable challenge to their duopoly - whether by snatching talented young Scots for their reserves/bench, or by gerrymandering the distribution of prize money. No, not content with domestic supremacy - they wanted what the other posh kid had - a row of titles and that big cup the greens won in prehistory. 9 in a row and the European Cup - unfortunately they couldn't suck enough money out of the Scottish game to achieve either end, so..... THEY FUCKING CHEATED! They stole money from the taxpayers of this country. They stole prize money from other clubs due to their inflated success rate. And they didn't care, because "They Were The Peepul". Now they've been caught, are they contrite? Are they willing to take any sanctions dished out and rebuild their image? Have they at any time said they are sorry, other than "we're sorry we got caught"? NO THEY FUCKING HAVEN'T! This mob brought shame upon Scotland for decades before their death, and the football authorities of Scotland are heaping more shame upon each and every one of us with their attempts to return to a status quo which rewards bigotry, violence and bullying above any semblance of sport. They're dead. For the love of God, let's chuck them out and move on. Rant over. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Buddie Posted July 24, 2012 Share Posted July 24, 2012 Perhaps for the benefit of this thread, yes. But there is a much more important issue at stake here: it is crucial we record exactly what has happened over the past six months, and instantly reject the revisionism that is already gathering some momentum. This isn't about 'golding' an Internet thread: it is about preserving for future generations the fact that Rangers died as a result of a liquidation procedure in the summer of 2012, and that their apparent 'continuation' is, in fact, a phoenix club. With no credible claim to the honours or history of the old club. This must be established before the PR campaigns of Sevco, the footballing authorities, the sponsors and the TV companies attempt to rebrand what is in fact an utterly discredited new club. That is far too important an argument (with possible ramifications for future clubs in administration) to be sidelined with a mealy-mouthed 'agree to disagree' truce. And part of that, is that when (if?) in 3-4 years time a team based at Ibrox Stadium plays a team based at Celtic Park, we have to insist to the MSM and to the MEM, and Sky and the BBC, it is not an Old Firm derby, cos you just know they'll try to label it as such for marketing purposes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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