old school Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 ^^^^ Too long, can't have been written by old school Ho ho ho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Does that playground in Newry also have a Bobby Sands pit? no thats the snack bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Freud Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 So what, people shouldn't do anything that might possibly offend some idiots? Presumably you have exactly the same view when idiot Muslims have their protests over images of the prophet, right? Or when fire engines are told not to display national symbols, eh xbl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Or when fire engines are told not to display national symbols, eh xbl? Indeed! When we stop doing stuff because a couple lunatics get offended, then the idiots have won! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 And it continues..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20657873 The Northern Ireland Assembly is to hold a special session later to debate a motion condemning attacks on Alliance Party politicians' homes and offices.The violence followed loyalist protests over Belfast City Council's move to fly the union flag only on designated days. Up to 28 police officers have been injured in rioting and, since Friday night, 19 people have been charged. Progressive Unionist Party leader Billy Hutchinson has denied that loyalist paramilitaries orchestrated violence. On Saturday, Assistant Chief Constable Will Kerr said: "Loyalist paramilitary groups are now actively involved in orchestrating this disorder." He said members of both the Ulster Defence Association (UDA) and Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) were "involved in the violence, we're now seeing senior members actively involved in orchestrating the violence." But Mr Hutchinson told BBC NI's Good Morning Ulster programme on Monday that he did not accept what police were saying. "We do not accept this. The UVF and the Red Hand (Commandos) are getting the blame for this," he said. "The PUP strategy is around making sure that this is unarmed resistance. People are disaffected, frustrated and angry. People are entitled to demonstrate but they should do it peacefully and in a dignified way." The motion up for debate in the assembly on Monday has been agreed by the main parties and calls for any further protests to be peaceful and orderly. Alliance leader David Ford had requested an immediate recall of the assembly after the attacks on the home of two councillors in Bangor and a constituency office in Carrickfergus on Wednesday. However, Sinn Fein argued that an immediate debate at Stormont on flags might prove divisive and only exacerbate tensions. Monday's motion condemns rioting and intimidation and expresses sympathy with all those attacked, injured or threatened. The wording was agreed by the main parties, but UKIP's David McNarry is backing an amendment repudiating Belfast City Council's decision to fly the union flag only on designated days. Meanwhile, the BBC has learned that a loyalist who made a speech to protesters in front of Belfast City Hall during Saturday's union flag demonstration was Jim Dowson, a former fundraiser for the British National Party. Mr Dowson told the BBC that he had never been a member of the BNP, not had he voted for them. A series of protests followed the decision made by the council last Monday that the flag - which is flown daily at the city hall - should only be flown on certain days. Nationalist councillors had wanted the flag at the city hall taken down altogether, but they voted on a compromise from the Alliance Party that it would fly on up to 20 days. Afterwards, unionists accused Sinn Fein, the SDLP and the Alliance Party of attacking their cultural identity. A loyalist crowd had gathered outside the city hall during the debate and there was a riot. A group of protesters forced their way into the back yard of the city hall and fought with police. Since then there have been a number of protests across Northern Ireland. Some have been peaceful, but others have become violent. The Alliance Party has said the main unionist parties bear some responsibility for stoking up the issue. The DUP's Sammy Wilson had accused Alliance of "opening a Pandora's box". DUP leader Peter Robinson has remained critical of the decision by nationalists to seek the removal of the Belfast City Council union flag describing it as "divisive and provocative". But Mr Robinson also called for the recent violent attacks to stop immediately and said the flag protests should be suspended in the wider interests of creating a peaceful society. Since last Wednesday's attacks, a death threat has been made against the party's only MP, Naomi Long, and Belfast city councillor Laura McNamee was also advised to leave her home. They really get upset if everthing isn't going their way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 What a bunch of arseholes the Nationalists are too here incidentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 What a bunch of arseholes the Nationalists are too here incidentally. I did 'lol' at their spin of they thought Unionists would be pleased as they had voted FOR flying the flag, just on the few days mind...... Surprised more hasn't been made on the Finucane stuff that came out there. http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/finucane-pistol-handed-back-to-british-army-577254.html A pistol used in the murder of Belfast solicitor Pat Finucane was handed back to the British Army by the RUC, previously unpublished papers show. New details about collusion between the RUC and the loyalist killers who targeted the 38-year-old in 1989 have been revealed in a report. The unseen chapter from the Stevens Inquiry is highly critical of the RUC’s “inadequate” investigation in the case and found officers deliberately destroyed vital evidence, while exhibits and records could not be found and fingerprints at the scene were not compared against suspects. It stated one of two murder weapons, a Browning pistol, was recovered by police but then given back to the British army, from where it had previously been stolen by loyalists. Mr Finucane’s son Michael said he is not surprised by the revelations. “Unfortunately, many other families are in a similar position to ourselves where they are finding out after the fact because the material has been held back for so long, that what they were told was a diligent and efficient and effective investigation was in fact anything but,” he said. Four chapters of a report by John Stevens were published in 2003. In the newly-released nine-page chapter six, entitled Murder Investigation, Mr Stevens criticised the handling of the murder weapon by the RUC. “This was not a case of administrative oversight, or even some loss occasioned by a lack of care,” he wrote. “I believe it was a clear and deliberate decision to relinquish control of a key exhibit, resulting in the destruction of vital evidence. “The lack of records has prevented the identification of the person responsible for this decision. The potential consequences of this particular disposal are obvious, with allegations made from the start of collusion between the security forces and loyalist paramilitaries. “The face that the firearm, when recovered, was found to have originated from the army no doubt fuelled that suspicion.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 I did 'lol' at their spin of they thought Unionists would be pleased as they had voted FOR flying the flag, just on the few days mind...... Did they actually say that? What a bunch of c***s they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It will be interesting how views of the Alliance plays out after this. They've managed to stand aside from both sides quite deftly but there is a risk that this incident alienates the more moderate unionists who vote for them. Alternatively they might come out of this as the only party talking sense and some sympathy after the idiots started issuing death threats and burning offices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 And it continues..... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20657873 They really get upset if everthing isn't going their way I've got a feeling Unionist Party Leader Billy Hutchinson isn't really that 'Progressive'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 It will be interesting how views of the Alliance plays out after this. They've managed to stand aside from both sides quite deftly but there is a risk that this incident alienates the more moderate unionists who vote for them. Alternatively they might come out of this as the only party talking sense and some sympathy after the idiots started issuing death threats and burning offices. Looks like the are being branded republican sympathisers. I've got a feeling Unionist Party Leader Billy Hutchinson isn't really that 'Progressive'. Yeah, all this chat coming out how they are trying to destroy british identity is a load of nonsense, I get the impression they ain't happy as unionists just don't seem to be getting everything their way anymore. The flag hasn't been banned, no parties are coming out saying they are "offended" or "upset" at seeing the UJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 all this chat coming out how they are trying to destroy british identity is a load of nonsense, I get the impression they ain't happy as unionists just don't seem to be getting everything their way anymore. This is how I'm kinda seeing it too TBH (to be honest). It reminds me of the cries of persecution shouted from the church over the past few years, when they weren't happy that their hundreds-of-years-old preferential treatment was being eroded in favour of equality and to them it seemed like victimisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 The flag hasn't been banned, no parties are coming out saying they are "offended" or "upset" at seeing the UJ. So why bother removing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 So why bother removing it? Just hazarding a guess, but could it be because they want to make a political point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Just hazarding a guess, but could it be because they want to make a political point? My guess is that they just love trolling the Unionists, who bite big style every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 This is how I'm kinda seeing it too TBH (to be honest). It reminds me of the cries of persecution shouted from the church over the past few years, when they weren't happy that their hundreds-of-years-old preferential treatment was being eroded in favour of equality and to them it seemed like victimisation. Exactly, like or not both unionists and nationalists are having to live and work together, comparisons will have to be reached of both sides of the divide As someone said earlier, a united Ireland is not even note agenda so why are they kicking up such a full about a flag now being flown every day of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 My guess is that they just love trolling the Unionists, who bite big style every time. Sadly it's also the unionists here who bite, be interesting to see how many show up for this protest in Glasgow on Saturday, and even more interesting to know how many of them cared or know that the UJ doesn't fly 365 days a year above City Chambers in Glasgow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 As someone said earlier, a united Ireland is not even note agenda so why are they kicking up such a full about a flag now being flown every day of the year. Exactly. Why are the Nationalists being such total dicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Exactly. Why are the Nationalists being such total dicks? Both are being dicks, but if you need to live and work together you both need to give or take a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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