welshbairn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Any country with a sectarian divide and power structure is going to vote overwhelmingly on tribal lines and for perfectly rational reasons. It's the same in Lebanon, for example. If you want more jobs and better services for your community, you have to vote for someone who is going to have a chance of delivering that, and inevitably that is going to be someone from your own community with good contacts with the wider tribal power network. A worthy neutral isn't going to be able to deliver, at least in the short to medium term. If you live in a Catholic community in NI would you vote for the Alliance if it meant the UDP getting power over resource allocation, or would you vote SDLP or Sinn Fein? Hopefully this is slowly changing in NI, with the Alliance holding the balance in some areas, but it'll take a long time before a rational voter can vote outside tribal allegiances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Northern Ireland needs to have a single party that all bigots can unite behind. It worked out well for Scottish Labour until pretty recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Goat Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 1354977360[/url]' post='6876018']Northern Ireland needs to have a single party that all bigots can unite behind. It worked out well for Scottish Labour until pretty recently. Good point. Democracy will prevail and it is a fact Ireland will be one again due to the Catholic vote increasing in the North. I just worry that the evil Orangemen start to head over here to Scotland. We do not need or want them in our beautiful Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Good point. Democracy will prevail and it is a fact Ireland will be one again due to the Catholic vote increasing in the North. Oh really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Good point. Democracy will prevail and it is a fact Ireland will be one again due to the Catholic vote increasing in the North. O'Reilly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Just watched the news. If they are so proud of their flag, why are so many of them covering their faces? Is it because, as the news correspondent suggested, this is all being orchestrated by loyalist paramilitaries? Masters of faux indignation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Just watched the news. If they are so proud of their flag, why are so many of them covering their faces? Is it because, as the news correspondent suggested, this is all being orchestrated by loyalist paramilitaries? Masters of faux indignation... Police brutality ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Police brutality ? Not really convinced that covering your face up stops the police beating the crap out of you if they choose to do so. Fair play if it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Goat Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 1354987636[/url]' post='6876462']O'Reilly? Top o the day to ye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 It's really bizarre: for all intents and purposes the Unionists have exactly what they should want: Irish 'unity' is completely off the political agenda for the time being. Yet they're so utterly thick to take the frankly pointless gesture of a flag-change as a crushing blow to their cause. More proof as if it were needed that the residents of that part of the world are truly benighted. I think this is a great point actually. If your raison d'etre is to resisit the unification of Ireland, you can pretty much sit back and put your feet up as it's never going to happen. In fact, given the fact that where you live was stolen from Ireland you should be pretty pleased with the current state of affairs. The issue with the flag could, perhaps diplomatically, be viewed as a way of keeping the peace while you continue to enjoy the benefit of your ill-gotten gains. If you're an ignorant, bigotted, sectarian, scum-bag, fuckwit then maybe you would struggle to grasp that concept right enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 In fact, given the fact that where you live was stolen from Ireland you should be pretty pleased with the current state of affairs. Perspectives like this are why the place is such a clusterfuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Perspectives like this are why the place is such a clusterfuck. That's the reality however - there is no denying that. It's Ireland for f**k sake - it always was. What's your point here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young buck Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 people I've met from northern ireland- sound as f**k people on the telleh from northern ireland ie rioters, paramilitaries, kenny shiels first degree wallopers diet palestine IMO give it up man it's so frighteningly unneccessary and tedious beyond belief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 That's the reality however - there is no denying that. It's Ireland for f**k sake - it always was. What's your point here? Northern Ireland is still in Ireland. Wasn't in the Northern Irish Parliament that decided not to be part of the Irish Free State and continue to be part of the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 That's the reality however - there is no denying that. It's Ireland for f**k sake - it always was. What's your point here? How long will it be before the Scots/Irish, who originated in Ireland anyway, have an equal right to be there and celebrate their traditions? It's 400 odd years now. For f**k sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Great marketing in the news though with the Rangers International FC scarves very prominent amongst the protestors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Northern Ireland is still in Ireland. Wasn't in the Northern Irish Parliament that decided not to be part of the Irish Free State and continue to be part of the UK? I can't make sense of what you're saying there. However, Northern Ireland is now part of the United Kingdom. If you're a Protestant/Unionist in Northern Ireland then you've already won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I take it that this little twerp Vikingtons long lost dad was some sort of Irish bigot, hence the general foot stamping and tantrumitus on display. Swing and a miss. None of my family originate from Ulster as far as I'm aware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 How long will it be before the Scots/Irish, who originated in Ireland anyway, have an equal right to be there and celebrate their traditions? It's 400 odd years now. For f**k sake. Of course: this display of scumbag violence has all been caused by centuries of discrimination against the plucky underdog Ulster-Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I don't think it's as cut and dried as it seems. Of course there is a chance of Irish reunification. Firstly, there's the demographics- there is (and will be) a catholic majority in the six counties which, leads onto secondly- economic factors. Who's to say that the Republic rides out the current problems and out performs the north? Those more inclined toward an 'united ireland' could vote with their wallets, particularly with unionists in the minority. Then again, who's to say the form any referendum would take? Would it be six counties or, more likely all thirty-two. Would there be a majority welcoming the north back into the fold? Or a pragmatic view of seeing the whole situation in reverse with a loyalist campaign bombing Dublin and Cork? Then, of course, Scotland might be away soon so would an rUK be prepared to chuck cash it probably won't have into an ulster black hole? Bertie Ahern signed away the claim on the six counties after the Good Friday Agreement. Ulster might end up even more of a problem child that nobody wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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