Cliche Guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 How long will it be before the Scots/Irish, who originated in Ireland anyway, have an equal right to be there and celebrate their traditions? It's 400 odd years now. For f**k sake. Well the point is extreme Protestant Unionists wish to continue the dominance, and supression of human rights, of Irish Catholics. On the basis of what you are saying why should extreme Protestant Unionists be entitled to continue with their sectarian oppression? The place is a clusterfuck for the same reason everywhere else similar is a clusterfuck. Once you start suppressing human rights, treating people less favourably, disenfranchising communities, denying equality of opportunity, and doing this to an indigenous culture you get a fight-back! Imperialism, whether it be British or any other, continues to see uprising from peoples who simply wish to recover the rights and cultural identity they previously experienced, before it was so brutally stolen from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I can't make sense of what you're saying there. However, Northern Ireland is now part of the United Kingdom. If you're a Protestant/Unionist in Northern Ireland then you've already won. Well I typed 'in' instead if 'it' but apart from that I can't see what's so difficult to make sense of. Northern Ireland is part of the UK and part of Ireland. Who exactly was NI stolen from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Ulster might end up even more of a problem child that nobody wants. Here's hoping. Maybe then they'll focus upon their car-crash of an economy instead of re-fighting 17th Century battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Imperialism, whether it be British or any other, continues to see uprising from peoples who simply wish to recover the rights and cultural identity they previously experienced, before it was so brutally stolen from them. Pictland for the Picts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliche Guevara Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Pictland for the Picts! Total nonsense post! Effectively what I am saying is Pictland should be a home where Picts can live in peace and equality, without fear of suppression or dominance. I'm a peacenik here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Of course: this display of scumbag violence has all been caused by centuries of discrimination against the plucky underdog Ulster-Scots. Not at all, I was responding to a claim that the Ulster-Scots have no right to be there. That's just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Not at all, I was responding to a claim that the Ulster-Scots have no right to be there. That's just silly. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Not at all, I was responding to a claim that the Ulster-Scots have no right to be there. That's just silly. The post you responded to did not say that Ulster Scots had no right to be there. The fact remains however that the Ulster Scots population were settled as an act of imperialism and at the removal of the land and tenant rights of the indigenous Irish population. Meanwhile, in the current day, their ancestors have held the political ascendancy in Northern Ireland for a century, yet are too thick as f**k to discern that the removal of a flag is not the sign of an uppity Catholic uprising. Quite why we should express sympathy towards their non-existent struggle I don't know. Even the development of paramilitaries in the region: they started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The post you responded to did not say that Ulster Scots had no right to be there. The fact remains however that the Ulster Scots population were settled as an act of imperialism and at the removal of the land and tenant rights of the indigenous Irish population. Meanwhile, in the current day, their ancestors have held the political ascendancy in Northern Ireland for a century, yet are too thick as f**k to discern that the removal of a flag is not the sign of an uppity Catholic uprising. Quite why we should express sympathy towards their non-existent struggle I don't know. Even the development of paramilitaries in the region: they started it. The removal of the flag was a petty act of the current political ascendency of Belfast, deliberately designed to goad the most ignorant factions of Unionism into displaying their backwardness to the world. You seem as obsessed with what happened centuries ago over there as the people you're writing off as bigots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The removal of the flag was a petty act of the current political ascendency of Belfast, deliberately designed to goad the most ignorant factions of Unionism into displaying their backwardness to the world. You seem as obsessed with what happened centuries ago over there as the people you're writing off as bigots. Isn't that a good thing? Exposing bigots for what they are is always a good thing is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The removal of the flag was a petty act of the current political ascendency of Belfast, deliberately designed to goad the most ignorant factions of Unionism into displaying their backwardness to the world. You seem as obsessed with what happened centuries ago over there as the people you're writing off as bigots. It was a provocative act. They have reopened Pandora's box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Out of interest why did they decide to do it? It's a British flag flying in a British town that gets money from British tax payers. Don't agree with the over the top reaction but it was like a red rag to a bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Out of interest why did they decide to do it? It's a British flag flying in a British town that gets money from British tax payers. Don't agree with the over the top reaction but it was like a red rag to a bull. Bang on. It was extremely provocative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Out of interest why did they decide to do it? It's a British flag flying in a British town that gets money from British tax payers. Don't agree with the over the top reaction but it was like a red rag to a bull. So what, people shouldn't do anything that might possibly offend some idiots? Presumably you have exactly the same view when idiot Muslims have their protests over images of the prophet, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Out of interest why did they decide to do it? It's a British flag flying in a British town that gets money from British tax payers. Don't agree with the over the top reaction but it was like a red rag to a bull. Because Sinn Fein are a bunch of c***s, the SDLP are a bunch of spineless c***s who are scared of losing even more votes to Sinn Fein (voting for this proposal won't get the SDLP anymore votes, so hard luck there) and the Allaiance are a bunch of all things to all men c***s. And the so called "protests" are a total over reaction and completely counter productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 The removal of the flag was a petty act of the current political ascendency of Belfast, What kind of "political ascendancy" would this be? You seem as obsessed with what happened centuries ago over there as the people you're writing off as bigots. Given I'm not rioting about the changing of a flag: swing and a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Because Sinn Fein are a bunch of c***s, the SDLP are a bunch of spineless c***s who are scared of losing even more votes to Sinn Fein (voting for this proposal won't get the SDLP anymore votes, so hard luck there) and the Allaiance are a bunch of all things to all men Well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If you all think this is bad, only a few days left afore Derry is crowned a UK City of Culture.......now that could/will get 'interesting'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If you all think this is bad, only a few days left afore Derry is crowned a UK City of Culture.......now that could/will get 'interesting'. Londonderry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 If you all think this is bad, only a few days left afore Derry is crowned a UK City of Culture.......now that could/will get 'interesting'. Don't think there will be any problems at all with that actually - though no doubt there will be sensational press reports to the contrary over some incident or other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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