Nutz_the_Squirrel Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Obviously I realise that some people and especially some young people will always be tempted to take drugs But how are you really going to try and educate people to not take drugs if we are then making sure the drugs they buy are safe . One minute we will be saying don't take them and the next saying yes these will be fine. If the drugs are safe then there is no point in banning them in the first place, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phasma ex machina Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I was going to say the same. Maybe I live a sheltered life, is this common? Very much so even from people who don't know, and from shops.. 26% of shops in SouthWest of the Shire a couple of years ago regarding booze, ciggies probably be similar. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12456360 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The public would be up in arms if the price of eccys was too low. It wouldn't play well with voters. It would seem a bit cavalier. After all these would still be recreational drugs. True, part of the reason for high taxation, If say your average dealer is currently selling at £10 a pill, (Ive no real idea of street price btw) you can produce it for a couple of pence, and it's at a very conservative 50p -£1 a pill for a shop to sell at, you can then have a tax rate of 1000% and your still undercutting a street dealer, or at least selling at the same price but with guarantee of purity. The aim of legalisation isn't to drop the price, but so that the money users are spending is correctly used, along with reducing harm to a ridiculous degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 The public would be up in arms if the price of eccys was too low. It wouldn't play well with voters. It would seem a bit cavalier. After all these would still be recreational drugs. But wasn't your original argument that dealers would comfortably undercut legal drugs? I take it you have totally abandoned that in the face of overwhelming evidence. FWIW, I actually don't think the public has any right to be "up in arms" about it. Ecstasy can be produced, and consumed, safely. If it is a recreational drug, so what? Since when did the general public get to dictate the individual choices of a consumer? If anything, ecstasy affects only the individual who takes it, unlike alcohol will contributes to thousands of violent incidents per year. Of course it should be taxed, and priced at a reasonable level which is dictated after considering the evidence and taking views from a variety of connected stakeholders. If you're angry about people voluntarily consuming a product that doesn't harm anyone else, you should get a fucking life. Of course people can still buy illegal drugs, legalisation doesn't change this, it just allows them to have a safe option. If you choose to buy heroin of a much lower quality, at a much higher price and ingest it in dangerous conditions then, congratulations, you are an idiot. This would be a significant minority, as is the case with illegal booze and fags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DensParkNumber1 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 In the words of the wise poets The Shamen E's are good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbie bobson Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Anyone got any salmon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 What good is regulating drugs going to do? People saying regulating and taxing drugs will help. Get real for one minute people with heart conditions they don't know about are gonna take them and end up in a bad way legal or not. Being available in shops are only going to put more people at risk. So don't produce a clean product because someone might have an unknown heart condition. See what Britain's secret heart condition suffering ravers need is to buy it off some jakey who's coloured it with Cillit Bang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeeperDee Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Anyone got any salmon ? LAAAAAVVLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 Anti drug arguments are always funny to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLANCY2KTID Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 In our late teens we used to flirt E or "nummars" as they were known most weekends. Stories of deaths in the papers kicking about then would make you kind of worried until you actually read them. We would use E to put a nice buzz onto your night. The dead one would almost inevitably have gobbled 10-15 pills on the night of their death. Hell mend them. Excess anything is dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tree house tam Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I remember when eccies were actually MDMA . What a difference . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdcal Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 If the drugs are safe then there is no point in banning them in the first place, is there? you are aware some banned substances are less harmful to you than tobacco and alcohol?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gingapar Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 you are aware some banned substances are less harmful to you than tobacco and alcohol?? Ban them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiemunster Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I took half of one of these at the weekend, when a voice boomed "FINISH IT!". Ended up in an awfy nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 True, part of the reason for high taxation, If say your average dealer is currently selling at £10 a pill, (Ive no real idea of street price btw) you can produce it for a couple of pence, and it's at a very conservative 50p -£1 a pill for a shop to sell at, you can then have a tax rate of 1000% and your still undercutting a street dealer, or at least selling at the same price but with guarantee of purity. The aim of legalisation isn't to drop the price, but so that the money users are spending is correctly used, along with reducing harm to a ridiculous degree. |All sound arguments, imo you should also mention that keeping drugs illegal simply enriches criminal filth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I remember when eccies were actually MDMA . What a difference . and £20 a pop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 |All sound arguments, imo you should also mention that keeping drugs illegal simply enriches criminal filth. While legalising them enriches filth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I don't see the appeal of taking drugs, despite regularly consuming alcohol, but there's no real argument against legalising drugs or at the very least, establishing legislation to make drugs safer. Winning "the war on drugs" (to quote Carver from The Wire, "you can't even think of calling this shit a war.... wars end") and creating a drug free environment is an unachievable objective, the state doesn't have to be "the dealer" but it should put in place the mechanisms to protect its citizens from harmful drugs by embracing the problem and ensuring drugs are kept clean and people can take drugs safely (heroin clinics have worked successfully in Denmark, Switzerland and the Netherlands). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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