Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Captain_Imra7 said: There's a huge difference between monitoring forums and social media and actively spreading nonsense stuff as PR to try and deflect from a bid for a player being accepted. One is doing your job, the other is conspiracy theory through some severe cynicism. I got the username wrong but what you're suggesting amounts to effectively the same. Believe what you want, I just think that notion is utter piffle. Just one man's opinion. But that's the way it's always worked Captain. Clubs use to spread disinformation through favoured journalists when print media was relevant. That's not conspiracy theory, that's how the world works. Remember Bob Paisley using the press to laud Gordon Strachan before the European Cup match. That was Paisley and Liverpool using the media to spread disinformation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: But that's the way it's always worked Captain. Clubs use to spread disinformation through favoured journalists when print media was relevant. That's not conspiracy theory, that's how the world works. Remember Bob Paisley using the press to laud Gordon Strachan before the European Cup match. That was Paisley and Liverpool using the media to spread disinformation. Are you saying Strachan didn't deserve praise? There's a fairly clear line between mind games and fraud 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: The club should clarify clearly that purchasing a season ticket for 2020/21 guarantees sweet F.A. But they don't, they're guaranteeing access for the first 7,500 fans in a partial crowd game. Where do they guarantee that? Thats the information on their website when you go in to buy a season ticket. No mention of this 7500 guaranteed fans bit, that's simply the amount they claim to have already sold. St Johnstone have said the exact same. When crowd restrictions are lifted then it'll be a "first come, first served" basis, the amount depends on to what level the crowd restrictions are lifted. Edited July 17, 2020 by RandomGuy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, coprolite said: Are you saying Strachan didn't deserve praise? There's a fairly clear line between mind games and fraud Well you've answered your own question their Coprolite because although Strachan was a good player, Paisley getting inside Strachan's head was exactly the game. I don't think you could call putting out a positive story about looking at an international player fraud though? I'm perhaps misunderstanding, why do you call it fraud? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said: Where do they guarantee that? Thats the information on their website when you go in to buy a season ticket. No mention of this 7500 guaranteed fans bit, that's simply the amount they claim to have already sold. St Johnstone have said the exact same. When crowd restrictions are lifted then it'll be a "first come, first served" basis, the amount depends on to what level the crowd restrictions are lifted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Who knows what dark deeds this announcement is actually supposed to be a cover up of though. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Rodhull said: Who knows what dark deeds this announcement is actually supposed to be a cover up of though. Panic appointments after they had a look at this thread. Two good gets imo though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rodhull said: Who knows what dark deeds this announcement is actually supposed to be a cover up of though. That must have cost a couple of bob to get those veteran broadcasters on board. They must be burning through that season ticket money... -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starryfish Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Messrs McDermid and Shinie still involved though disappointingly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: That must have cost a couple of bob to get those veteran broadcasters on board. They must be burning through that season ticket money... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: Well you've answered your own question their Coprolite because although Strachan was a good player, Paisley getting inside Strachan's head was exactly the game. I don't think you could call putting out a positive story about looking at an international player fraud though? I'm perhaps misunderstanding, why do you call it fraud? Misrepresentation for benefit. If it is untrue of course, which is what i thought you were implying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep62 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Fucking hell, God help us once the season actually kicks off guys 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, coprolite said: Misrepresentation for benefit. If it is untrue of course, which is what i thought you were implying. Well I personally don't have any issues with the club using the media for their own ends. I think it would negligent not to, because, for example, Traynor has been doing it for years at Sevco. Now, if this poster from AbMad isn't using the forum under the club's instruction then they could be very destructive for our transfer dealings. If we are looking at Jordan Rhodes, for example, then they have just given the heads up to other clubs who look at similar players in our price range. The number of international strikers, probably Scottish, that we could afford would be few and far between so easy to identify for other clubs and might have them chasing him and make the deal unaffordable. But this poster has been giving little snippets of info for years. He's never been rooted out. Which makes me think the club know about it. And if the club know about it, then they won't want to reveal they're chasing an international striker for the reason given above. So either the poster is correct and we're after the player and the club don't know who the leak is or the club know about the poster because it's part of his remit and this is disinformation probably or possibly to distract from our seemingly quick acceptance of the offer from the French outfit for Cosgrove and his impending departure to England. But I don't think any of that is fraud. That's just the way things work in football. Edited July 17, 2020 by Bogbrush1903 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Imra7 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: Well I personally don't have any issues with the club using the media for their own ends. I think it would negligent not to, because, for example, Traynor has been doing it for years at Sevco. Now, if this poster from AbMad isn't using the forum under the club's instruction then they could be very destructive for our transfer dealings. If we are looking at Jordan Rhodes, for example, then they have just given the heads up to other clubs who look at similar players in our price range. The number of international strikers, probably Scottish, that we could afford would be few and far between so easy to identify for other clubs and might have them chasing him and make the deal unaffordable. But this poster has been giving little snippets of info for years. He's never been rooted out. Which makes me think the club know about it. And if the club know about it, then they won't want to reveal they're chasing an international striker for the reason given above. So either the poster is correct and we're after the player and the club don't know who the leak is or the club know about the poster because it's part of his remit and this is disinformation probably or possibly to distract from our seemingly quick acceptance of the offer from the French outfit for Cosgrove and his impending departure to England. But I don't think any of that is fraud. That's just the way things work in football. So you reckon that this person on AbMad is deliberately spreading nonsense rumours at the behest of the club, primarily to quiet discontent amongst the fan base regarding the bid being accepted for Cosgrove, do I have that right? If I do, then I would suggest that the only reason the club would do that (i.e lie to keep fans happy right now) would be to try and mitigate against damage to season ticket sales. Ergo you are saying that the club is surreptitiously lying to some parts of the fanbase via an internet forum to try and encourage them to buy season tickets (or other merchandise). That is more or less defrauding the fan base out if money, which is nothing like the same as spreading nonsense in the press to get inside opposition player's / manager's heads as per your Paisley and Strachan example. I accept that this is possible, anything is possible, but I think it is far more likely that transfer rumours on fan forums are spread by people who have put 2 + 2 together to get 5 and want to get a conversation going online rather than the club trying to distract from a bid being accepted. Not sure about AbMad as I gave up on that site a few years ago, but most on here seemed accepting enough of the value we agreed with Guingamp so I'm not sure what fire the club would even want to try and fight by spreading false rumours online. As I say, believe what you want and go about your day, it does zero harm to me. It's clear neither I nor anyone else is going to change your mind on this one. Edited July 17, 2020 by Captain_Imra7 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A96 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 My take on the guaranteed access is that it is referring to entitlement to watch via RedTV all home league games which are played either behind closed doors or with a partial crowd. If it was entitlement to get into Pittodrie as a spectator in a partial crowd I think they’d have mentioned “guaranteed entry” or something like that. When it was announced several weeks ago that Sky had agreed to allow season ticket holders to watch home games in the 20/21 season , I think it was stated that it would be limited for each club to the number of season tickets they’d sold in the 19/20 season. Which is , I think , the significance of the 7,500 figure if that’s the number of season tickets we sold for 19/20. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, A96 said: My take on the guaranteed access is that it is referring to entitlement to watch via RedTV all home league games which are played either behind closed doors or with a partial crowd. If it was entitlement to get into Pittodrie as a spectator in a partial crowd I think they’d have mentioned “guaranteed entry” or something like that. When it was announced several weeks ago that Sky had agreed to allow season ticket holders to watch home games in the 20/21 season , I think it was stated that it would be limited for each club to the number of season tickets they’d sold in the 19/20 season. Which is , I think , the significance of the 7,500 figure if that’s the number of season tickets we sold for 19/20. "7,500 Initial Capacity at Pittodrie for partial crowds"... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhull Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bogbrush1903 said: "7,500 Initial Capacity at Pittodrie for partial crowds"... And the rest of the tweet says 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Captain_Imra7 said: So you reckon that this person on AbMad is deliberately spreading nonsense rumours at the behest of the club, primarily to quiet discontent amongst the fan base regarding the bid being accepted for Cosgrove, do I have that right? If I do, then I would suggest that the only reason the club would do that (i.e lie to keep fans happy right now) would be to try and mitigate against damage to season ticket sales. Ergo you are saying that the club is surreptitiously lying to some parts of the fanbase via an internet forum to try and encourage them to buy season tickets (or other merchandise). That is more or less defrauding the fan base out if money, which is nothing like the same as spreading nonsense in the press to get inside opposition player's / manager's heads as per your Paisley and Strachan example. I accept that this is possible, anything is possible, but I think it is far more likely that transfer rumours on fan forums are spread by people who have put 2 + 2 together to get 5 and want to get a conversation going online rather than the club trying to distract from a bid being accepted. Not sure about AbMad as I gave up on that site a few years ago, but most on here seemed accepting enough of the value we agreed with Guingamp so I'm not sure what fire the club would even want to try and fight by spreading false rumours online. As I say, believe what you want and go about your day, it does zero harm to me. It's clear neither I nor anyone else is going to change your mind on this one. I don't reckon anything. Either the club knows about the poster or it doesn't. If they don't know who he/she is then he's been spreading accurate information for at leat ten years. I first remember he/she revealing Lee Hendrie was in talks with Aberdeen during the McGoo era, which was true. Nobody was mentioning Hendrie as a possible Aberdeen player at the time. That info could only have come from inside Pittodrie. That's not the only time. Go on AbMad and they will tell you about this Nostradamus. Ten years ago and he/she is still at it. This is not someone rattling off rumour after rumour (like Vancouver_Don although there's something odd about his posts too) and getting a hit once in awhile. This poster only comments occasionally and with remarkable accuracy most times although not always. Enough though for AbMad to view he/she as a respected poster. Therefore, either the club have been unable or unaware to source the leak for the last ten years or they've been instigating the leaks. Ok so the fans are happy with the club accepting what seems to be one of the first offers but we now know for sure they club are punting Cosgrove at some point in the next few weeks. Negative news. The club is in talks at a "critical stage" with an "international striker". Might be true, it might not be. But somebody is wanting this story to spread and that's exactly what's happened. If the club are looking at an international striker like Jordan Rhodes then I can't see any benefit in leaking it. However, under these circumstances, the club have allowed information regarding SOME transfer targets to leak out of the club for ten years. I don't believe this though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Rodhull said: And the rest of the tweet says Exactly, thanks for that Mr Hull, I forgot to include the whole tweet. "Be there when Pittodrie roars again" . Not watch on RedTV as Pittodrie roars again. It's clearly stating 7,500 in at Pittodrie. Therefore, nothing about guaranteeing access to RedTV. We can be in no doubt that "guarantee access to partial crowd games" means attendance in Pittodrie. I can't believe though that I need to clarify that. "Increasingly hopeful"? on July 1st? It's July 17th and we still have 2 metre distancing. What was giving them hope? Edited July 17, 2020 by Bogbrush1903 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: I think one must be incredibly dim to purchase a season ticket given the circumstances. There are more worthwhile charities to give money to than AFC... So you think that you have the right to have go at all the supporters in Scotland who have bought a season ticket to help out their club because they should be giving that money to some charity to build a new hospital or such like? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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