d31 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: This seems unreasonably angry. Selling players is generally a board decision btw. He persuaded the Board it was a good idea to run down contracts of Jack, McLean and Shinnie rather than market any. He's been poor at monetising players under his own steam. A good spfl manager should be running at a profit - which he wasnt until this season. We must improve on trading players as part of our future. If we were even half decent at trading players then we could willy nilly buy someone like Allan Campbell and repeat the process. A mini version of what Celtic aim for. Edited February 7, 2021 by d31 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, d31 said: He persuaded the Board it was a good idea to run down contracts of Jack, McLean and Shinnie rather than market any. He's been poor at monetising players under his own steam. A good spfl manager should be running at a profit - which he wasnt until this season. Pretty sure the club was profitable and turnover nearly doubled in his time (pre COVID). That came from, you know, being successful on the pitch. Something that I’d categorise as an attribute of a good manager. Monetising players isn’t really his job. Recruiting players with a resale value and developing them is part of it but it’s not on him to bring in fees. If the board agreed to keep players for use in the first team instead of selling them that’s on them. Why is it a failing of a manager to want to hang onto his best players? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Pretty sure the club was profitable and turnover nearly doubled in his time (pre COVID). That came from, you know, being successful on the pitch. Something that I’d categorise as an attribute of a good manager. Monetising players isn’t really his job. Recruiting players with a resale value and developing them is part of it but it’s not on him to bring in fees. If the board agreed to keep players for use in the first team instead of selling them that’s on them. Why is it a failing of a manager to want to hang onto his best players? McInnes has done a brilliant job. All I'm saying is another tick in the box would be if he was good at trading players. It's an area that requires improvement. I'm hopeful the club will improve on this as it's going to be key to getting better (or using the clubs words 'top 100'). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Gordon Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 McInnes' greatest strength has become his greatest weakness. He has generally provided the club with consistency in terms of results and league finishes during his tenure. There might be an argument to be made that we have come to expect consistency as a support and now that McInnes isn't providing this, we are turning on him. However, usually, after a poor result, the team will generally regroup and string together a solid run of results. This was what I thought would happen after the 4-1 defeat to Ross County. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened & we've gone on a poor run of form since then. This has been mentioned by other posters & I agree that McInnes' tenure peaked at the Scottish Cup Final in 2017. Since then we have been on a downward trajectory in terms of league finishes and haven't taken opportunities to win in the cups. I feel that McInnes should get until the end of the season, he is owed that much at least. However, I think this depends on what the board's ambitions are for this season. If they feel it is imperative that the coronavirus financial shortfall is met through the opportunity of group stage participation in the Uefa cup, then they may act sooner. The 'careful what you wish for' way of thinking comes from a place of fear. I would rather take the gamble to change the manager next season, whether the outcome of this is better, worse or the same. This would be preferable to an inevitable Levein-like decline. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 The Group stage comment is everything. 3rd v 4th is 100 times more important this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: Why would I have an idea? You were asking a St Johnstone fan. I don’t keep a track. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, d31 said: The Group stage comment is everything. 3rd v 4th is 100 times more important this season. Yeap. But as with pretty much everything in the last 7 years, it's going to be a case of missed opportunities and 2nd (in this case 4th or 5th) places. Hibs have invested with the aim of ending up 3rd in the league. We've had a fire sale and a series of never-ending injuries that have ripped the heart out of our season. This season simply looks like it's going to be a microcosm of McInnes's time at Pittodrie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Yeap. But as with pretty much everything in the last 7 years, it's going to be a case of missed opportunities and 2nd (in this case 4th or 5th) places. Hibs have invested with the aim of ending up 3rd in the league. We've had a fire sale and a series of never-ending injuries that have ripped the heart out of our season. This season simply looks like it's going to be a microcosm of McInnes's time at Pittodrie. You can’t say we haven’t invested. Our playing budget is/was as big as it’s ever been and we purposely extended contracts and made signings last January to ensure we wouldn’t have the usual rebuilding job last summer. This came back to bite us as we had a bloated squad being paid whilst they weren’t allowed to train or play, not even utilising the furlough scheme for much of that time. Whilst the squad looked like it had good depth going into the season, many of these players either haven’t stepped up or don’t suit our new system and we’ve been hit by injury and COVID problems at times. Even when we lost Cosgrove to injury and McKenna to Forest, we went out and brought in two forwards and paid a decent fee for McCrorie. Obviously the picture now looks worse than we anticipated and so we’ve had to cash in on Wright and Cosgrove but you can’t say this squad has lacked investment. I don’t know the ins and outs of Hibs’ finances. They obviously laid off staff a few months ago, something which we avoided, and this may be benefiting them now but it’s not accurate to say they’ve invested and we haven’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep62 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Thought I would take a look in on AFC Chat and see what the idiots in our support are saying. Suffice to say I was not disappointed. Names getting bandied around include Louis Van Gaal, Jurgen Klinsmann & David Wagner Edited February 7, 2021 by Sheep62 Fecking predictive text 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan14 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Merkland Red said: Third is gone. Definitely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sheep62 said: Thought I would take a look in on AFC Chat and see what the idiots in our support are saying. Suffice to say I was not disappointed. Names getting bandied around include Louis Van Gaal, Jurgen Klinsmann & David Warner We're more likely to end up with a complete no thought appointment like Tommy Wright than anything exciting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) Sounding more like he's away Edited February 7, 2021 by d31 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said: I don’t know the ins and outs of Hibs’ finances. They obviously laid off staff a few months ago, something which we avoided, and this may be benefiting them now but it’s not accurate to say they’ve invested and we haven’t. Sorry, I meant specifically in January. Hibs took a gamble to strengthen their squad, hold on to their valuable players, and to obviously make a play for 3rd place. That seems to have paid off, and as pointed out above 3rd place means bigger financial rewards in Europe next season. They've been luckier with injuries than us, but there's no doubt at all that they are much stronger than us, especially up front and probably now in midfield as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Sorry, I meant specifically in January. Hibs took a gamble to strengthen their squad, hold on to their valuable players, and to obviously make a play for 3rd place. That seems to have paid off, and as pointed out above 3rd place means bigger financial rewards in Europe next season. They've been luckier with injuries than us, but there's no doubt at all that they are much stronger than us, especially up front and probably now in midfield as well. Let's bear in mind they dropped their two players who came under offer after the window. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Let's bear in mind they dropped their two players who came under offer after the window. Seems to have worked out well for them... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, d31 said: Sounding more like he's away What’s leading you to say this bud? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said: Sorry, I meant specifically in January. Hibs took a gamble to strengthen their squad, hold on to their valuable players, and to obviously make a play for 3rd place. That seems to have paid off, and as pointed out above 3rd place means bigger financial rewards in Europe next season. They've been luckier with injuries than us, but there's no doubt at all that they are much stronger than us, especially up front and probably now in midfield as well. It wasnt so much a gamble to strengthen the squad, and imo wasnt a play for 3rd, more absolute necessity. On paper the midfield was good, but Allan has been out for months, Newell (who was making us tick) is still injured, and Magennis was injured when he arrived and tweaked his hamstring so has been out. We were so thin at the back that we had to wheel MacGregor out of retirement - although that has worked well so far (but he isnt a long term option). That we brought in Cadden and Irvine (short term) were vital - although they arrived not match fit as was so evident in the Semi v St J. We refused to sell Nisbet and Porto in the last 2 days of the window out of necessity - we would have had one striker (doidge) who hasnt scored - it feels like - since pre covid and really couldnt go the rest of the season relying on Daz (although I love him, YLT ya bass and all that) at CH. So, while we have "invested" there was no choice - around the turn of the year, we were really thin on the ground (as you can see from our results then). Our new guys are bedding in now, and coincidentally some of the injured are now back so we look really strong at the mo. I suspect that the same will happen with Aberdeen in a week or two once the new guys get up to speed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
betting competition Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bob Mahelp said: Sorry, I meant specifically in January. Hibs took a gamble to strengthen their squad, hold on to their valuable players, and to obviously make a play for 3rd place. That seems to have paid off, and as pointed out above 3rd place means bigger financial rewards in Europe next season. They've been luckier with injuries than us, but there's no doubt at all that they are much stronger than us, especially up front and probably now in midfield as well. That is where questions need to be asked. GMS was available and seem the obvious choice to come back and then went to a championship team. Looked like Mcinnes wasn't allowed to sign and only after Cosgrove went we was allowed to sign loan players Edited February 7, 2021 by betting competition 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 That is where questions need to be asked. GMS was available and seem the obvious choice to come back and then went to a championship team. Looked like Mcinnes wasn't allowed to sign and only after Cosgrove went we was allowed to sign loan players We’ve already got 5 wingers who are being paid first team wages. Signing another injury-prone 30+ year old who has been inconsistent throughout his whole career when we’ve got next to no money coming in would’ve be mad. If we’d received a 500k grant then it may have been a different story. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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