HalfCutNinja Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Lebowski said: 29 minutes ago, HalfCutNinja said: I've no idea about January, though Covid has deflated the market. But about 15 months ago I listened to an interview with Mark Ogren on radio and he was asked about Shankland. He was spouting a load of deluded pish about how their business plan had been successful elsewhere and they thought they could improve facilities, have success on the field and turn a profit. The interviewer was rightly a bit suspicious as to how much acid they'd clearly taken and quizzed him about his most valuable asset Shankland. What did he think he could get for him. Ogren waffled on a bit about how they thought they could make a lot of money off him, so the interviewer through out a figure for perspective. Three million? Ogren smugly replied, no we feel we can realise significantly more than that for him. That is the level of delusion you're dealing with. He genuinely thought they would get five or six for him. I would say 700k is way low and expect them to double that easily, but it will be a fraction of what they were expecting and is a great example of deluded foreign owners coming in having watched the EPL on TV and thinking they operate in the same stratosphere. As is what's going on with Ferguson now. You misunderstand, Dundee Utd were actively trying to punt him for that in January and got no takers at that price. Why would any club double a price neither they nor anyone else bit on previously? Yeah I understood I just doubt that's true. Never heard anything about it at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Yeah I understood I just doubt that's true. Never heard anything about it at the time. Why would you have? No one was interested at the price Dundee Utd were looking for. He's a 25 year old striker who wasn't very good in the Premiership. Previous to this season there was a chance he was going to be very good but just hadn't had the opportunity at a higher level. Now he has, and that has fucked his value. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfCutNinja Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Lebowski said: 19 minutes ago, HalfCutNinja said: Yeah I understood I just doubt that's true. Never heard anything about it at the time. Why would you have? No one was interested at the price Dundee Utd were looking for. He's a 25 year old striker who wasn't very good in the Premiership. Previous to this season there was a chance he was going to be very good but just hadn't had the opportunity at a higher level. Now he has, and that has fucked his value. I think people overplay that, he got 1 in 4. That's quite decent. Utd have been fairly pish and quite defensive, its not actually a bad return. I just would have expected to have heard about it somewhere, and would be surprised if they were hawking him about halfway through a season anyway, especially at a time when prices were down. So I doubt the veracity of your information. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lebowski Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I think people overplay that, he got 1 in 4. That's quite decent. Utd have been fairly pish and quite defensive, its not actually a bad return. I just would have expected to have heard about it somewhere, and would be surprised if they were hawking him about halfway through a season anyway, especially at a time when prices were down. So I doubt the veracity of your information.One in four in Scotland over a 38 game season is 9-10 goals a season. He's 25 so you wouldn't expect huge amounts more development. If Dundee Utd sell him it will be for well under 1m. It's also true what I'm saying regarding trying to punt him fwiw. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HalfCutNinja Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Lebowski said: 6 minutes ago, HalfCutNinja said: I think people overplay that, he got 1 in 4. That's quite decent. Utd have been fairly pish and quite defensive, its not actually a bad return. I just would have expected to have heard about it somewhere, and would be surprised if they were hawking him about halfway through a season anyway, especially at a time when prices were down. So I doubt the veracity of your information. One in four in Scotland over a 38 game season is 9-10 goals a season. He's 25 so you wouldn't expect huge amounts more development. If Dundee Utd sell him it will be for well under 1m. It's also true what I'm saying regarding trying to punt him fwiw. He doesn't need more development, that's one average season when him and his team had just been promoted. He could easily hit 20 next season. Its not a trend after one season. I'll take your word for it but I seriously doubt it, I don't remember them trying to sell him to anybody, wouldn't expect they'd be doing it halfway through a season and wouldn't believe it would be for that figure either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, HalfCutNinja said: He doesn't need more development, that's one average season when him and his team had just been promoted. He could easily hit 20 next season. Its not a trend after one season. I'll take your word for it but I seriously doubt it, I don't remember them trying to sell him to anybody, wouldn't expect they'd be doing it halfway through a season and wouldn't believe it would be for that figure either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game of throw-ins Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Merkland Red said: There's nothing wrong with expecting a bit more than 'sit tight, direct balls in to the channels' when you dwarf most of the league's resources. Anyway he's gone. No point if dredging old arguments up again. I wasn't the one who brought McInnes into it. My point is that you can't judge a manager by a change in expected (or actual) goals scored unless you also take into account expected or actual goals conceded. That's the criteria that will need to be applied to Glass. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Shankland is an interesting topic. Will he move this summer and what's the asking price? Seems like it's not his time right now and suddenly he is running his contract down 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, d31 said: Shankland is an interesting topic. Will he move this summer and what's the asking price? Seems like it's not his time right now and suddenly he is running his contract down 1.8 million I think was mentioned earlier by the guy who was telling everyone they were deluded. I don't think he's a million miles away tbf. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Game of throw-ins said: I wasn't the one who brought McInnes into it. My point is that you can't judge a manager by a change in expected (or actual) goals scored unless you also take into account expected or actual goals conceded. That's the criteria that will need to be applied to Glass. I agree with you about the big picture but we should be able to tell if we've been more more attacking from the number of chances (or a nice heatmap). Being more attacking isn't the same as being more successful with it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Paul Sheerin, talk to me? Is he highly thought of at Aiberdeen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Is he linked with Falkirk? Id be surprised if sheerin or robson ventured out on their own. id suspect they'd be hoping mcinnes gets a new gig and they follow him there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFC 1876 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, d31 said: Is he linked with Falkirk? Id be surprised if sheerin or robson ventured out on their own. id suspect they'd be hoping mcinnes gets a new gig and they follow him there Yeah he's just went favourite on mcbookie. But that doesn't really mean much as Brian Rice was 6/4 favourite just the other day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 7 hours ago, FFC 1876 said: Paul Sheerin, talk to me? Is he highly thought of at Aiberdeen? He did pretty well as Arbroath manager. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afc69 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 I think both Sheerin and Robson are out the door at Aberdeen. New broom and all that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldie1980 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 I think Sheerin will do very well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Baldie1980 said: I think Sheerin will do very well Hopefully we can send some young boys on loan too. He knows them so would likely give them game time and persevere 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Yea Falkirk would be a great club to have a link up with for a couple of seasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Good luck to Sheerin if he gets the gig. Dont suppose he wants robson or marshall as his assistant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted May 22, 2021 Share Posted May 22, 2021 Plenty rumours round the city that the Boyle deal is agreed. Personally don't see it myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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