The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

[DunbartonshireRed]

1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:

Its great isnt it?

"Why doesnt the club just hire a promising young manager from abroad before they break through?"

As if every club on the planet isnt actively trying that and its near impossible to find any decent options never mind have any success with them.

Who said it had to be a young manager? Could be an experienced man. Stick to Wyscout and piecharts bawheid. 

[DunbartonshireRed]

1 hour ago, AJF said:

Without having any exact figures to hand, I’d hazard a guess that there are far more managers that have arrived with no experience in Scotland that have flopped compared to those that have succeeded.

I suppose you'll know first hand having hired LeGuen and Caixinha. 

Our last 5 managers have been McGhee, Brown, McInnes, Glass and now Goodwin. 3 of them hired from other Scottish clubs. 1 got us a humiliation in Europe and a 9-0 at Parkhead that was "just another 3 points" who didn't even want the job as he wanted the Celtic job. Brown wasn't a disaster and to an extent steadied the ship a bit. McInnes had relative success here and also with St Johnstone and started off well at Bristol City before that turned sour. He just stayed too long. Glass was no more than a vanity project from Cormack that should have resulted in his baws being parted. And Goodwin hired on the rush on the back of a 4 in 5 winning run without obviously looking at the previous 20 matches. 

So we've hired 3 of our last 5 managers from direct competitors and where's it got us? Fucking nowhere. So why not try something different? There's not an oustanding candidate in the SPFL. 

[craigkillie]

5 hours ago, DunbartonshireRed said:

You've just brought Ally McCoist into this? The same Ally McCoist who had a budget thwt was in a different universe to all other teams he competed against and still couldn't get them into the Premiership at the first time of asking and also lost out in Tunnocks Teacake cup or whatever the f**k it was called on more than one occasion. 

Not comparable and not relevant. Goodbye. 

You've considered budget to be irrelevant, but not the level of football? What's the point in comparing a win percentage (something which is also flawed since it treats draws and defeats as the same) between the Norwegian second tier and the Scottish top flight?

[DunbartonshireRed]

16 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

You've considered budget to be irrelevant, but not the level of football? What's the point in comparing a win percentage (something which is also flawed since it treats draws and defeats as the same) between the Norwegian second tier and the Scottish top flight?

McCoist spent the majority of his rangers career in the lower leagues of Scottish football. There is no point comparing McCoist's Rangers in League 2 against the likes of Brechin City against Norway. 

Anyway, my whole point to this isn't who i want. It's just the route i feel the club should be going down. Using the SPFL prem merry go round has done us no favours in the past so why continue doing it? Try something a bit different. 

[10menwent2mow]

Celtic have thought outside the box with Postecoglu and at the moment it's working. 

Rangers thought outside the box with Caixinha and Le Guen and it didn't work. 

The difference mainly being that the Celtic players have bought into what Ange is doing whereas Le Guen had to deal with fuds like Ferguson and Boyd who's mentality and attitude stank. The point being there's only so much a foreign manager can do if the players decide they don't fancy him. 

Skovdahl is the only time we've gone foreign and although the 1st season was a total disaster in the league, he got us to both cup finals. Then a 7th place, with a European embarrassment, a 4th place which led to a credible showing against Hertha, all while blooding a lot of youngsters (some good, some bad) and bringing in some decent overseas players (Zero, Guntviet, Stavrum). 

I think there's an over propensity to look back on Ebbe's time with us too fondly but it certainly wouldn't put me off having an overseas manager again. 

[DunbartonshireRed]

10 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Celtic have thought outside the box with Postecoglu and at the moment it's working. 

Rangers thought outside the box with Caixinha and Le Guen and it didn't work. 

The difference mainly being that the Celtic players have bought into what Ange is doing whereas Le Guen had to deal with fuds like Ferguson and Boyd who's mentality and attitude stank. The point being there's only so much a foreign manager can do if the players decide they don't fancy him. 

Skovdahl is the only time we've gone foreign and although the 1st season was a total disaster in the league, he got us to both cup finals. Then a 7th place, with a European embarrassment, a 4th place which led to a credible showing against Hertha, all while blooding a lot of youngsters (some good, some bad) and bringing in some decent overseas players (Zero, Guntviet, Stavrum). 

I think there's an over propensity to look back on Ebbe's time with us too fondly but it certainly wouldn't put me off having an overseas manager again. 

Think the thing is with Postecoglou he was almost straight away able to bring in his own guys to implement his style. He went and got Furuhashi, Carter Vickers, Starfelt, Hart etc. Then in January he got Maeda, Hatate etc. And let's be honest he already had the basis of a very good team.

The time for us to do it ideally was after McInnes left because there were a lot of players out of contract or loans were ending. 

 

[10menwent2mow]

5 minutes ago, DunbartonshireRed said:

Think the thing is with Postecoglou he was almost straight away able to bring in his own guys to implement his style. He went and got Furuhashi, Carter Vickers, Starfelt, Hart etc. Then in January he got Maeda, Hatate etc. And let's be honest he already had the basis of a very good team.

The time for us to do it ideally was after McInnes left because there were a lot of players out of contract or loans were ending. 

 

Which is pretty much what Le Guen did with Rangers. Brought in his own guys and tried to implement his own style. If McGregor, Taylor, Turnbull, Forrest et al chucked it because they didn't fancy Postecoglu it could've been very different, they've bought into it though.  

[DunbartonshireRed]

10 minutes ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Which is pretty much what Le Guen did with Rangers. Brought in his own guys and tried to implement his own style. If McGregor, Taylor, Turnbull, Forrest et al chucked it because they didn't fancy Postecoglu it could've been very different, they've bought into it though.  

McGregor, Forrest etc played under Rodgers who had a very similar style. High energy, pressing so it probably wasn't as big a change for them as they'd already done it and done it successfully. 

It's always a risk when you appoint a new manager. I just feel continually picking from the same pool has done us no favours up to now so why continue doing it? 

[craigkillie]

If a manager can't motivate his players then maybe he's the problem and not them?

[AJF]

1 hour ago, 10menwent2mow said:

Which is pretty much what Le Guen did with Rangers. Brought in his own guys and tried to implement his own style. If McGregor, Taylor, Turnbull, Forrest et al chucked it because they didn't fancy Postecoglu it could've been very different, they've bought into it though.  

You need to compare the difference in budget between the two as well though. Le Guen was given €5m to spend as our financial troubles were building. Postecoglou has been given €50m+.

Edited December 31, 2022 by AJF

[DA Baracus]

Pars have tried a few managers who either hadn't worked in Scotland before or hadn't worked as a manager at all before.

Jimmy Calderwood was a success, although he had ludicrous, unsustainable cash chucked at him, far more than any Pars manager ever had.

 

Stephen Kenny was abysmal for us, even with decent financial backing, although he did take us to a Scottish Cup final and Europe. He seemed like the ideal candidate at the time, a guy with proven success outwith Scotland who seemed on an upwards trajectory. His Derry team's utter pumping of Gretna didn't hurt.

Neither of the above had worked in Scotland before.

Jim McIntyre was really good for us up to a point. He took over from Kenny in what was his first ever managerial job. Steered us awag from the bottom of the table and progressed us each season after, winning the league in 2010. He didn't do so well with us in the SPL though.

John Potter took over from Jim Jefferies and we finished 7th in League 1, taking hidings from the like of Stranraer (5-1), Forfar (1-3) and Brechin (0-3). That was his first managerial role for a first team.

Edited December 31, 2022 by DA Baracus

[coprolite]

27 minutes ago, AJF said:

You need to compare the difference in budget between the two as well though. Le Guen was given €5m to spend as our financial troubles were building. Postecoglou has been given €50m+.

Sterling please. Bloody remoaners! 

[The_Kincardine]

47 minutes ago, Squonk said:

Aye, but Lord Nimmo Smith assured us that money doesn't convey a sporting advantage.

He did no such thing, squonky bhoy.  Plus gaining a'sporting advantage' is what every club is trying to do.   The essence of Bro NS's judgement was about an 'unfair sporting advantage'. Very different.

On 29/12/2022 at 15:03, kingjoey said:

A rowie?

Buttery?  It's basically a Doric interpretation of a croissant - with added lard.

[kingjoey]

13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

He did no such thing, squonky bhoy.  Plus gaining a'sporting advantage' is what every club is trying to do.   The essence of Bro NS's judgement was about an 'unfair sporting advantage'. Very different.

Buttery?  It's basically a Doric interpretation of a croissant - with added lard.

You won’t be surprised to know that I love croissants as well, particularly when we’re in France.

[The_Kincardine]

9 minutes ago, kingjoey said:

You won’t be surprised to know that I love croissants as well, particularly when we’re in France.

No surprise at all.  The first time we drove from Bonkry to Aboyne my (then) Mrs asked, "WTF?  Did we just drive through a mini Champs-Élysées?"

"Nah" said I.  "Just Kinker".

7 minutes ago, Squonk said:

You can indulge in semantics as much as you like

No semantics.  You misquoted LNS.  But that's hardly a  surprise.
 

[kingjoey]

6 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

No surprise at all.  The first time we drove from Bonkry to Aboyne my (then) Mrs asked, "WTF?  Did we just drive through a mini Champs-Élysées?"

"Nah" said I.  "Just Kinker"

[Dons_1988]

40 minutes ago, Squonk said:

You can indulge in semantics as much as you like, but LNS tried to persuade us all that the availability of money to your old, now deceased club by virtue of an illegally operated tax scheme led to no advantage on the field of play, despite that scheme facilitating more expensive players of a higher quality, not available on the same terms to competitors. That is patently absurd, as was much of your supposedly learned friend's warped and contrived conclusions.

For the love of god, not in this thread please. 

[Squonk]

1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

For the love of god, not in this thread please. 

Apologies for biting. Posts removed.

[DukDukGoose]

Happy new year when the time comes, Dandies (and the rest of you.)

 

[DukDukGoose]