Bairnardo Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 It is a genuine source of despair the pish you have to put up with in order to follow football in this country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Do people still tune in to this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nsr Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Someone at the BBC must think Chick Dung is doing a good job, presumably, or he wouldn't still be there. I wonder who it is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 hours ago, BawWatchin said: Do people still tune in to this? No, I just guessed all of it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worktheshaft Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 People should start a crowd funder to get Chic Young a one way ticket to Switzerland and a wee check up at one of their 'specialist' clinics.Arbroath and Montrose fans saying they hate each other is as bad as sectarianism, is he getting paid to spout such utter drivel? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 38 minutes ago, nsr said: Someone at the BBC must think Chick Dung is doing a good job, presumably, or he wouldn't still be there. I wonder who it is. Jackie Bird probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 5 hours ago, nsr said: Someone at the BBC must think Chick Dung is doing a good job, presumably, or he wouldn't still be there. I wonder who it is. Johnathan Watson. Ho Ho Hooooooo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 A fun game to play listening tonight it to guess the word Kris Commons is thinking of during one of his long pauses... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 22 minutes ago, Lurkst said: A fun game to play listening tonight it to guess the word Kris Commons is thinking of during one of his long pauses... Fish supper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 What Chick Young provided was a very neat illustration of why sectarianism thrives where the OF are concerned - it's because it's allowed to. The nonsense he spouted - likening it to a rivalry in Angus, saying it's countrywide, disowning it as a football issue - all served to say we're stuck with it and it's fine by him. I wish someone would tackle him on his ignorant rubbish. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer Jag Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I’d imagine Chick and his ‘chums from the gentlemen’s club’ (which he never fucking shuts up about btw) are no stranger to a cultural tune or two. That will be why he’s such a rancid, bigot apologist. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Monkey Tennis said: What Chick Young provided was a very neat illustration of why sectarianism thrives where the OF are concerned - it's because it's allowed to. The nonsense he spouted - likening it to a rivalry in Angus, saying it's countrywide, disowning it as a football issue - all served to say we're stuck with it and it's fine by him. I wish someone would tackle him on his ignorant rubbish. It's allowed to, but it's also encouraged by the clubs. Even the fans who say on here that they don't like or participate in it will get dragged into "what defines sectarianism" and argue that singing about the IRA/UVF and all that shite isn't sectarian. Whether it is or isn't surely all can see that it goes hand in hand and is a huge part of the attitude that has to be stamped out. As long as fans are encouraged to treat their clubs as some sort of extension of the politics/religions involved, it will continue, and people in a wee room somewhere will strike deals on which disgusting songs about killing eachother etc pass/fail the dictionary test. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Bairnardo said: It's allowed to, but it's also encouraged by the clubs. Even the fans who say on here that they don't like or participate in it will get dragged into "what defines sectarianism" and argue that singing about the IRA/UVF and all that shite isn't sectarian. Whether it is or isn't surely all can see that it goes hand in hand and is a huge part of the attitude that has to be stamped out. As long as fans are encouraged to treat their clubs as some sort of extension of the politics/religions involved, it will continue, and people in a wee room somewhere will strike deals on which disgusting songs about killing eachother etc pass/fail the dictionary test. I totally agree. I was really just referring to the tolerance for intolerance shown by fools in the media like Young. He angered me too with his stuff about sectarianism being a social problem that football merely reflects. I think that football in the form of two clubs is now its last remaining big driver. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: I totally agree. I was really just referring to the tolerance for intolerance shown by fools in the media like Young. He angered me too with his stuff about sectarianism being a social problem that football merely reflects. I think that football in the form of two clubs is now its last remaining big driver. Youngs subservience to the arse cheeks, like many of the old guard of Scottish football, is written into his DNA. We really need to see younger, more progressive folk get into the media and into influential positions in the game. People like Young will never accept that anything can/will/needs to change in Scottish Football. Sadly, that doesn't just include on the park. It covers the shite spewing from the stands too. It's all part of the "nothing like it anywhere in the world" atmosphere of the Old Firm* It's not happening though. If anything it will get worse until such time as Rangers can use football to define the rivalry, but it was still bile when they were on top, so lets not hold our breath. Nothing will ever change until the clubs decide it has to. They won't, so we are stuck with it. If they got serious, it would take years but it would turn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: It's allowed to, but it's also encouraged by the clubs. Even the fans who say on here that they don't like or participate in it will get dragged into "what defines sectarianism" and argue that singing about the IRA/UVF and all that shite isn't sectarian. Whether it is or isn't surely all can see that it goes hand in hand and is a huge part of the attitude that has to be stamped out. As long as fans are encouraged to treat their clubs as some sort of extension of the politics/religions involved, it will continue, and people in a wee room somewhere will strike deals on which disgusting songs about killing eachother etc pass/fail the dictionary test. This is pretty much the best post you'll find on the subject, very well delivered Bairnardo. I've found myself going down the "technically not secterian" line but ultimately you are spot on, its all part of the underlying attitude. Unfortunately, I don't see it ever improving until either the SPFL or the clubs take drastic measures to get rid of it. That would likely cost everyone involved a handsome sum of money so I can't see it changing any time soon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSU Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Monkey Tennis said: What Chick Young provided was a very neat illustration of why sectarianism thrives where the OF are concerned - it's because it's allowed to. The nonsense he spouted - likening it to a rivalry in Angus, saying it's countrywide, disowning it as a football issue - all served to say we're stuck with it and it's fine by him. I wish someone would tackle him on his ignorant rubbish. This is it. The equation of Arbroath hating Montrose is allowed to pass as the equivalent of Rangers hating Celtic. The fact that he brought that up several times and no one called him out on it is demonstration of the problem. Arbroath can hate Montrose and vice versa. Alloa can hate Stirling and vice versa. But they can do so without mentioning ******s and **** and the IRA or the UDF. It's geography. And that's fine. The problem exists because no one wants to address the problem. It's easily solved. No one wants to do it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 He never actually said what the 'incident' at Ayr was either, just that there was an 'incident'. He also was allowed to get away with the "it's just a minority" line multiple times as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Tartantony said: This is pretty much the best post you'll find on the subject, very well delivered Bairnardo. I've found myself going down the "technically not secterian" line but ultimately you are spot on, its all part of the underlying attitude. Unfortunately, I don't see it ever improving until either the SPFL or the clubs take drastic measures to get rid of it. That would likely cost everyone involved a handsome sum of money so I can't see it changing any time soon. I was at an Accies Fans' Forum last month, and both our Chairman and previous Chairman said that the reason nothing will ever be done is because neither Celtic or Rangers wouldn't agree to it. I think it's baffling that they're even given a choice on the matter. The costs shouldn't be too much; it should simply be a case of the delegates doing their job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul wright scores Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 hours ago, MSU said: This is it. The equation of Arbroath hating Montrose is allowed to pass as the equivalent of Rangers hating Celtic. The fact that he brought that up several times and no one called him out on it is demonstration of the problem. Arbroath can hate Montrose and vice versa. Alloa can hate Stirling and vice versa. But they can do so without mentioning ******s and **** and the IRA or the UDF. It's geography. And that's fine. The problem exists because no one wants to address the problem. It's easily solved. No one wants to do it. This sums up Scotland. Don't want to start a major debate but getting rid of 'separate' schools in Scotland would help, but no political party will address that issue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 It is incredible listening to them talk about it. Ooh it's very sensitive, small minority, Montrose hate Arbroath, not football's problem etc etc. If a set of fans sang 'up to their knees in muslim blood' all hell would break loose and they would have the book thrown at them and quite rightly so. What is this bizarre acceptance in Scotland that what we have is any different or more acceptable? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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