killiepiemuncher Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The players hated him. He was a good coach though Bloody players. Players are supposed to fear, respect and follow instructions not be pandered to. Willie Waddle wouldn't have given a flying f**k if the players "didn't like him". Pussies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennysmassiveego Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 The players hated him. He was a good coach though When you say "players" was it a minority or quite a few ? I'm sure the fans would forgive a stern manager if the team delivered on the park , which Shiels undoubtedly did . His sacking if you are right would not have been opposed by the players and could have been encouraged ? If that is so then surely our Machiavellian chairman would have used that in his interviews with the press? I don't recall this happening But if it did then our " board as it was then" we're weaker than we thought. I wouldn't have Kenny back as manager but would welcome his talent for bringing on youngsters but we already have Alan Robertson who is doing a good job so there is no position for him at the moment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killienick Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 When you say "players" was it a minority or quite a few ? I'm sure the fans would forgive a stern manager if the team delivered on the park , which Shiels undoubtedly did . His sacking if you are right would not have been opposed by the players and could have been encouraged ? If that is so then surely our Machiavellian chairman would have used that in his interviews with the press? I don't recall this happening But if it did then our " board as it was then" we're weaker than we thought. I wouldn't have Kenny back as manager but would welcome his talent for bringing on youngsters but we already have Alan Robertson who is doing a good job so there is no position for him at the moment. It was most of the players and staff. The were 'incidents' which were kept from the fans but in terms of that group of players, most of them left as quickly as they could - (Dayton, Nelson, Harkins etc). He, unfortunately, wasn't just stern but was also apparently unhinged. MJ is always a lawyer first and would realise that a) Kenny was popular amongst the fans and b) saying someone is a mentailist is quite hard to prove. Therefore he just wrote a contract that made it easy to sack him at the most convenient opportunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cass316 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Been a fair few days since somebody posted on here. Great result yesterday to secure our 23rd consecutive year in the top division. Marvellous. Some serious decisions need to be made close season though. A complete clear out is required. 2 years flirting with relegation play off spot simply isn't good enough. Not saying we should be in Europe every year, just not this gut wrenching finish to the season every year. Fair bit of dead wood needs to be shipped out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neutralfan80 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Start with Locke 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Yeah, the biggest mistake we made last summer was keeping on a shite manager and letting him rebuild a shite squad for this season. Chances are, Locke will do the exact same this summer if he stays in charge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shibuya Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Odds on four Ayrshire derbies in 2016/2017? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie95 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Anyone else heard the rumour about N'goo fighting in the Kilmarnock gym? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitongo's Left Peg Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Anyone else heard the rumour about N'goo fighting in the Kilmarnock gym? The one where he allegedly got into an altercation with a female member of staff for "laughing at his legs" and was subsequently fired? Yup. Looking forward to the press finding out about that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitongo's Left Peg Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 Been a fair few days since somebody posted on here. Great result yesterday to secure our 23rd consecutive year in the top division. Marvellous. Some serious decisions need to be made close season though. A complete clear out is required. 2 years flirting with relegation play off spot simply isn't good enough. Not saying we should be in Europe every year, just not this gut wrenching finish to the season every year. Fair bit of dead wood needs to be shipped out. Had the pleasure of speaking to Jim Mann the other day, and he made some good points. His direct quote was that there are "too many prima-donnas in that dressing room" and that we'll be having a big clear out in the summer. If that's the case then - Samson, Barbour, Chantler, Westlake, Pascali, Cairney, Miller, Eccleston Eremenko, Clingan all to go? I'd personally keep Sammy Clingan and Chantler/Westlake as cover. The rest I'm fine with leaving in all honesty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 The one where he allegedly got into an altercation with a female member of staff for "laughing at his legs" and was subsequently fired? Yup. Looking forward to the press finding out about that one. If it gives us an excuse to get rid of the useless p***k, I'm all for it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitongo's Left Peg Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 If it gives us an excuse to get rid of the useless p***k, I'm all for it. Therein lies my worry about Locke. He clearly recommended Ngoo to AJ, so how are we supposed to have any confidence in his ability to rebuild the squad entirely? Look at his time at Hearts - a one-in-one-out policy, and he signs Paul McCallum. Then at Killie - uses what little cash we have to sign Eccleston when we desperately needed a left or a right back. I said before that I wouldn't mind giving the job to a young coach, even Gary Locke, provided they had an experienced Director of Football working with them to identify and bring in talent. With our budget though, that's probably unlikely unless the DoF was willing to work for nothing. So then surely you have to appoint a manager who can coach, who has contacts all over and a keen eye for players? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 I'm still struggling to comprehend the decision to give Locke the job off the back of a handful of good results and the fact that the players like him. I'm certain that it will prove to be a mistake, and that we'll end up having to pay him off long before the end of his contract. If we have a get out clause now, then we have to take it. Give a proper manager a chance to do some sensible recruitment in the summer rather than just signing a hotch-potch policy of bringing in folk just because they become available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie95 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 The one where he allegedly got into an altercation with a female member of staff for "laughing at his legs" and was subsequently fired? Yup. Looking forward to the press finding out about that one. The story is also helped by the apparent news that Tope, who was there at the time, gave him a kicking for this as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 Been a fair few days since somebody posted on here. Great result yesterday to secure our 23rd consecutive year in the top division. Marvellous. Some serious decisions need to be made close season though. A complete clear out is required. 2 years flirting with relegation play off spot simply isn't good enough. Not saying we should be in Europe every year, just not this gut wrenching finish to the season every year. Fair bit of dead wood needs to be shipped out. To be honest there isn't much difference between a handful of teams near the bottom of the division. I can see next season being the same, Hamilton won't be as good and you'll have Hearts and ( given Motherwells capitulation) probably Hibs or Rangers. It's going to be a tougher league next season , I think it'll be even tighter for the play off battle. I thought Gary Locke done enough to get the gig but it goes without saying the results since have been horrendous and will make Killie fans nervous for next season. Is there a lot of players out of contract? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cass316 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 The story is also helped by the apparent news that Tope, who was there at the time, gave him a kicking for this as well. Haha. I love Tope. Gets a fair bit of stick but I wouldn't have him out my team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cass316 Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 (edited) If that's the case then - Samson, Barbour, Chantler, Westlake, Pascali, Cairney, Miller, Eccleston Eremenko, Clingan all to go? I'd personally keep Sammy Clingan and Chantler/Westlake as cover. The rest I'm fine with leaving in all honesty. I agree with Clingan, Westlake and Chantler staying.We definitely need a new number 1. Samson has simply been awful. A few good games but the vast majority he's been garbage. I've said all season Barbour should be flung to feck. Brings nothing to the table. Edited May 17, 2015 by cass316 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitongo's Left Peg Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 If Ross Barbour could break up opposition attacks the way he breaks up Killie ones then he'd maybe have a shot... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theProdigy Posted May 17, 2015 Share Posted May 17, 2015 If Ross Barbour could break up opposition attacks the way he breaks up Killie ones then he'd maybe have a shot... I think Barbour needs a year away (on loan) and then see what he's like!! I think he has promise - he has Defo shown that on a few occasions this season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quitongo's Left Peg Posted May 17, 2015 Author Share Posted May 17, 2015 I think Barbour needs a year away (on loan) and then see what he's like!! I think he has promise - he has Defo shown that on a few occasions this season Do we have the scope to re-sign him for at least two years, in the hope that a loan spell turns his fortunes around? I think we should just let him go and let him try and get a career going elsewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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