Moonglum25 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I have every sympathy for those who are genuine and in need of benefits but the other side of the coin - my brother in law has not worked for over 5 years, has no intension of getting a job buy yet manages to go abroad on holiday each year. Why should he seek employment when there are mugs paying taxes for him to swan about without a care in the word and go to Spain and brag that he is unemployed?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I have every sympathy for those who are genuine and in need of benefits but the other side of the coin - my brother in law has not worked for over 5 years, has no intension of getting a job buy yet manages to go abroad on holiday each year. Why should he seek employment when there are mugs paying taxes for him to swan about without a care in the word and go to Spain and brag that he is unemployed?. Yeah I'm going to go ahead and not believe that Daily Mail yarn you just spun us there. I suppose he also has an I Phone, Sky Sports and likes to stick two fingers up to those of us who work, the scamp that he is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglum25 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Try getting head out of your arse and see what else is going on. This is the other sdide of the coin that you do not want to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Yeah I'm going to go ahead and not believe that Daily Mail yarn you just spun us there. I suppose he also has an I Phone, Sky Sports and likes to stick two fingers up to those of us who work, the scamp that he is? Possibly. There are unemployed people who have I Phones, Sky and go on foreign holidays, whilst being on benefits. The two aren't incompatible, depending on what yuo choose to spend your money on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Try getting head out of your arse and see what else is going on. This is the other sdide of the coin that you do not want to accept. Ok, champ. Cool story anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I had the misfortune of working in a call centre in my younger days and there were folk (bloody youngsters) coming in from Fife, West Lothian etc to work an absolutely terrible job for minimum wage every day. In my current job we take on unpaid volunteers regularly (which I don't agree with by the way but it's not my choice) and every time we put an ad up we're indundated. Not all rich yahs who's folks are prepared to subsidise them into a good caree either. It's often graduates with full-time jobs in shops, restaurants etc willing to work a day off to get something more impressive on their CV. Of course there are lazy c***s out there but needless to say the curtain-twitching Daily Mail sneering about lazy young people doesn't even come close to reflecting reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Of course there are lazy c***s out there but needless to say the curtain-twitching Daily Mail sneering about lazy young people doesn't even come close to reflecting reality. Thing is it does reflect reality. It's the scale of it that's in question. Pretending there aren't lazy chancers on benefits who have zero interest in finding a job is just silly. Pretending everyone unemployed is like that is equally stupid. Just as not all people on benefits are scroungers looking to watch Jeremy Kyle all day, neither are they pounding the proverbial streets desperate for a job. It's something in the middle. We have unemployed people desperate to find a job, and unemployed people desperate to never have a job and people in the middle. It's a very gray area. Whilst the Daily Mail Surrey stockbroker belt types are arseholes, the pretendy socialist gimps pretending there's no such thing as people on benefits living a cosy life whilst we pay for it are just as dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Thing is it does reflect reality. It's the scale of it that's in question. Pretending there aren't lazy chancers on benefits who have zero interest in finding a job is just silly. Pretending everyone unemployed is like that is equally stupid. Just as not all people on benefits are scroungers looking to watch Jeremy Kyle all day, neither are they pounding the proverbial streets desperate for a job. It's something in the middle. We have unemployed people desperate to find a job, and unemployed people desperate to never have a job and people in the middle. It's a very gray area. Whilst the Daily Mail Surrey stockbroker belt types are arseholes, the pretendy socialist gimps pretending there's no such thing as people on benefits living a cosy life whilst we pay for it are just as dumb. Of course there are lazy c***s out there, I even said so in the last post. I mention The Daily Mail because their constant reporting about scroungers, holidays, Sky TV!!! etc is a problem of proportionality. One side of the story, 100% of the coverage. You might accept that there's a grey area but many don't and people who bring up their lazy relative who won't work usually do so because they've become programmed to think these anecdotes actually mean anything in the big picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The point being spectacularly missed here is that the likes of the Daily Mail and programmes like Benefits Street demonise the unemployed and disabled and portray the majority of them as feckless, lazy scroungers. Nobody in their right mind would for one minute suggest that there are no people on benefits who do make the most of it. However, to the average Daily Mail reactionary right winger, the image being portrayed is that the vast majority of those on benefits are lazy shirking thieves who go on holidays at the taxpayer's expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Of course there are lazy c***s out there, I even said so in the last post. I mention The Daily Mail because their constant reporting about scroungers, holidays, Sky TV!!! etc is a problem of proportionality. One side of the story, 100% of the coverage. Yep, I don't disagree. And I don't disagree either that it's useful for the banksters to have people fighting with each other rather than worrying about the much more serious examles of fraud. But it's also human nature for people to become pissed off with the guy down the pub that's never worked a day in the last 5 years, whilst they are knocking their pan in, swan in one Sunday and say "aye, I'm off to Gran Canaria with the family for a couple of weeks". Going back to the earlier posts on the page, there is an issue with how much effort people are willing to put into finding a job. And what jobs people think are beneath them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Nobody in their right mind would for one minute suggest that there are no people on benefits who do make the most of it. Uh huh. Except when told of just such a situation you immediately claimed you didn't believe it and threw "Daily Mail!!!!!" at the poster concerned. When his story is just... one most of us can find an example of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 If only H_B realised that "some examples" do not equate to "that specific example". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 If only H_B realised that "some examples" do not equate to "that specific example". So why, when you admit that such examples do indeed exist, do you disbelieve that that particular example exists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I have no idea how people can save up to go abroad or drink in pubs every day on £80 a week. What other benefits is there from JSA? I have been on that whilst staying with the folks and I was lucky to afford a night out with my pals once a month. The longer you are unemployed the bigger the chance you get stuck in a bad routine. I was worried I unemployed for 6 months and a employee at the Job Centre said oh don't worry thats not long term there are people that have been unemployed for over 20 years! I have seen some right chancers though, forgetting their wee job diary every time ect but getting away with it. I ended up going to college because I was sick of temp employment in shitholes and signing on then getting another dead end temp job ect. Wish I done it years ago, even if I am currently looking for a summer job & PT job for whilst I'm at college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I have every sympathy for those who are genuine and in need of benefits but the other side of the coin - my brother in law has not worked for over 5 years, has no intension of getting a job buy yet manages to go abroad on holiday each year. Why should he seek employment when there are mugs paying taxes for him to swan about without a care in the word and go to Spain and brag that he is unemployed?. Yeah I'm going to go ahead and not believe that Daily Mail yarn you just spun us there. I suppose he also has an I Phone, Sky Sports and likes to stick two fingers up to those of us who work, the scamp that he is? Nobody in their right mind would for one minute suggest that there are no people on benefits who do make the most of it. However, to the average Daily Mail reactionary right winger, the image being portrayed is that the vast majority of those on benefits are lazy shirking thieves who go on holidays at the taxpayer's expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 My point being, which isn't too difficult to grasp, is that of course there are some people on benefits who make the most of it. What I absolutely DON'T believe, is people who say "My brother in law/ sister in law (it's usually an in law) is on benefits but goes on holiday twice a year/ has an i Phone/ has the full sky package". It's clearly made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'd be highly sceptical of anyone claiming someone on JSA is going on holiday abroad, Sky TV etc etc. It's £73.10 a week. Even the couples rate is only about £114 a week. Once you've shelled out for scran, and in most cases prepay gas and/or leccy meters it's unlikely you could afford to save a few hundred quid to f**k off to Spain for two weeks. More than likely the "examples" put forward are either people getting ESA and DLA/PIP, Carers Allowance or Contributions based JSA with a partner who's working If nothing else, buggering of for a week would result in a JSA sanction 99% of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Apparently they are planning on relaxing Sunday trading laws down here. Unions (including my own) aren't thrilled but I think it's a good idea. I find it a bit ludicrous that shops still close at 4pm down here on a Sunday. Probably the only thing in this budget I'm likely to be happy about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonglum25 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 My point being, which isn't too difficult to grasp, is that of course there are some people on benefits who make the most of it. What I absolutely DON'T believe, is people who say "My brother in law/ sister in law (it's usually an in law) is on benefits but goes on holiday twice a year/ has an i Phone/ has the full sky package". It's clearly made up. And we should all believe that you know everything. you're either on a fishing expidition or else a complete F**kwit who need to open his eyes and see reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 And we should all believe that you know everything. you're either on a fishing expidition or else a complete F**kwit who need to open his eyes and see reality. You seem rather upset and angry. I've noticed that trait amongst Daily Mail readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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