ICTChris Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I always say that the best people to follow regarding these things are @ShirazMaher and @rcallimachi on Twitter. The former has posted about this claim - says the best thing to do at this point is to verify the source of the claim. Has it come from the same place as previous, verified claims, or is it false? If it comes from genuine ISIS links then there could be something to it. Rukmini tweeted last night about the recent knife attack in Marsielles. She pointed out that Isis don't claim everything - there was an attack in Edmonton at the weekend where an attacker with an ISIS flag rammed a police checkpoint and got out and stabbed a policeman. He escaped, was captured hours later and is now in custody. He's previously been questioned by Canadian security services as a risk. ISIS haven't claimed that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ICTChris said: ISIS have released a statement on their Amaq news agency claiming responsibility for the Las Vegas shooting. Says the shooter converted to Islam a few months ago. On a similar note I'd like to claim sole responsibility for PSG's 3-0 win over Bayern , bringing the Columbian Government and Farc to the negotiating table and writing the good bits in Hamlet Edited October 2, 2017 by topcat(The most tip top) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: On a similar note I'd like to claim sole responsibility for PSG's 3-0 win over Bayern , bringing the Columbian Government and Farc to the negotiating table and writing the good bits in Hamlet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: Trump speaking to US press just now, no substance just prayers and looking for rays of light or something, utter pish. Completely ignoring gun laws? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanmistermustard Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Trump will currently be on party message. He'll be back to his normal self within a day or two over this, making illogical claims and threatening whoever he is pissed off with that day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 6 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: Didnt even mention the word gun. Just all prayers and thoughts facebook friendly pish. Hearing on NBC that the ammo used was a kind of hollow point designed to destroyed the insides of whatever it hits. How is that for sport? American squirrels must be hardy wee buggers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 5 minutes ago, dirty dingus said: American squirrels must be hardy wee buggers. As well as escaped aliens from Area 51. Serious firepower required against those ray guns. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 28 minutes ago, ICTChris said: I always say that the best people to follow regarding these things are @ShirazMaher and @rcallimachi on Twitter. The former has posted about this claim - says the best thing to do at this point is to verify the source of the claim. Has it come from the same place as previous, verified claims, or is it false? If it comes from genuine ISIS links then there could be something to it. Rukmini tweeted last night about the recent knife attack in Marsielles. She pointed out that Isis don't claim everything - there was an attack in Edmonton at the weekend where an attacker with an ISIS flag rammed a police checkpoint and got out and stabbed a policeman. He escaped, was captured hours later and is now in custody. He's previously been questioned by Canadian security services as a risk. ISIS haven't claimed that one. Those kinds of nuances don't really fit into the social media/reactionary timeline, as it were. It's easy to claim ISIS claim everything, when in actual fact they don't. It'd doesn't help when everything posted on Amaq is dutifully rehashed as "IS has claimed....". Amaq is their media outlet of choice, but it isn't IS itself, otherwise it would have been shut down long ago. It's merely a speculative conduit, much as the Guardian serves as the mouthpiece of the Labour Party. As Welshbairn points out, Amaq often attributes stuff to IS when it has nothing to do with them. Often, the sign of Amaq announcing it is a sign that it may not be the case. That being said, in events such as Manchester, there is a verifiable claim which comes first, often, through Amaq. What doesn't happen is that IS themselves back up the Amaq claim if there's no truth to it. The Egyptian airline disaster, for example, is generally regarded as a terrorist incident. IS has never claimed responsibility for it. Anyway, the point is that the claiming of credit for terrorist atrocities is very subtle, although the reaction to it often is not. In these cases, it's far better to follow the academics than even the broadsheet journalists. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, kilbowie2002 said: Didnt even mention the word gun. Just all prayers and thoughts facebook friendly pish. Hearing on NBC that the ammo used was a kind of hollow point designed to destroyed the insides of whatever it hits. How is that for sport? I don't know the exact details but i think its designed to basically shatter into small pieces when it hits you. But the fact some idiot in the US can buy ammo like that for an assault rifle and no-one thinks twice is terrifying. The Wikipedia description is rather horrific."Hollow points are designed to increase in diameter once within the target, thus maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock, and to remain inside the target, thereby transferring all of the kinetic energy to the target (whereas some fraction would remain in the bullet if it passed through instead). Both of these goals are meant to maximize stopping power." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 If it's a "lone wolf" attack, i fully expect Trumpet to ignore this as much as possible, much like he has the Puerto Rico crisis, but those uppity niggas in the NFL need sacked. America is a very damaged nation & I hope it explodes. ETA - run@Raidernation, run. Swampy can stay. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 8 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said: I don't know the exact details but i think its designed to basically shatter into small pieces when it hits you. But the fact some idiot in the US can buy ammo like that for an assault rifle and no-one thinks twice is terrifying. The Wikipedia description is rather horrific."Hollow points are designed to increase in diameter once within the target, thus maximizing tissue damage and blood loss or shock, and to remain inside the target, thereby transferring all of the kinetic energy to the target (whereas some fraction would remain in the bullet if it passed through instead). Both of these goals are meant to maximize stopping power." I thought hollow point ammunition would've been illegal for personal use purely based on Tony Soprano getting done for possessing it, but it seems from wiki that it's actually only illegal in New Jersey. Mind boggling man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 I always say that the best people to follow regarding these things are @ShirazMaher and @rcallimachi on Twitter. The former has posted about this claim - says the best thing to do at this point is to verify the source of the claim. Has it come from the same place as previous, verified claims, or is it false? If it comes from genuine ISIS links then there could be something to it. Rukmini tweeted last night about the recent knife attack in Marsielles. She pointed out that Isis don't claim everything - there was an attack in Edmonton at the weekend where an attacker with an ISIS flag rammed a police checkpoint and got out and stabbed a policeman. He escaped, was captured hours later and is now in custody. He's previously been questioned by Canadian security services as a risk. ISIS haven't claimed that one. It's a myth they claim everything going either way. Think there has been ones in Scandinavia recently that had all the hall marks of Isis style attacks but which weren't claimed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 2 hours ago, HenryHill said: You seem to be an expert. That's you on a watch list somewhere, shooter. With my username, I will be flagged up on some list. Feel sorry for the poor b*****d at GCHQ who reads the drivel I post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 13 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: Anyway, the point is that the claiming of credit for terrorist atrocities is very subtle, although the reaction to it often is not. In these cases, it's far better to follow the academics than even the broadsheet journalists. I think that's correct, they are often less likely to jump to conclusions. I find @MaxAbrams has been an excellent follow on terrorism, although he is tweeting less recently due to writing a book. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chlamydia Kid Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 With my username, I will be flagged up on some list. Feel sorry for the poor b*****d at GCHQ who reads the drivel I post. Flagged up as a fan of SLF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 What does "claiming responsibility" for anything actually fucking mean anyway? Its a lot of utter propaganda bollocks. In my opinion. I also wonder who from ISIS comes forward to make their claim credible? Do they have an official spokesperson that can be relied on as a credible source or is it just any old Jihad on Twitter? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 7 minutes ago, Brother Blades said: If it's a "lone wolf" attack, i fully expect Trumpet to ignore this as much as possible, much like he has the Puerto Rico crisis, but those uppity niggas in the NFL need sacked. America is a very damaged nation & I hope it explodes. ETA - run@Raidernation, run. Swampy can stay. Indeed. The Trump presidency empowers these "lone wolves". Combine that with a chronic lack of mental health care and a masculine attachment to guns, it's a horrible combinations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Just now, throbber said: I also wonder who from ISIS comes forward to make their claim credible? Do they have an official spokesperson that can be relied on as a credible source or is it just any old Jihad on Twitter? The IRA used to have a code word they shared with the police to prove they were genuine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 Possibly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: Ah, you're pretending not to know because you used to be in the IRA, aren't you? I think so. Potatoes. ETA ^^^^ ITKAF Edited October 2, 2017 by Savage Henry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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