Hillonearth Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 54 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Isis are doubling down on claiming the shooting but have offered no evidence. Odd. That looks sufficiently like a takeaway menu that it's made me a bit hungry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 What kind of frozen treat do terrorists eat?Isisicles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Edited October 6, 2017 by Zen Archer Better media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Raidernation said: Correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm not) but nowhere in that post do I suggest doing the same here as in Australia. I was, however, highlighting that those who argue that tighter gun laws don't reduce gun crime/deaths are no, in fact, 100% correct. Personally, having taught in schools in Chicago where guns were a part of everyday life for the students, I think there's something really "messed up" about the US gun-lovin' psyche You get that the gun culture in rural Idaho is an entirely different animal than in Chicago? It's 180 degree opposite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 You get that the gun culture in rural Idaho is an entirely different animal than in Chicago? It's 180 degree opposite. And yet gun control is trammelled by the same constitutional rights in bothYou've made a good point there, possibly inadvertently 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 And yet gun control is trammelled by the same constitutional rights in bothYou've made a good point there, possibly inadvertently Gun laws vary from state to state. I think that Chicago (or Illinois more accurately) has pretty strong gun laws, I could be wrong though.Anyway, the police have said that there are potential signs the shooter had over people in his suite. There was a charger found in his room that didn't match any of his phones. His wife has said she had concerns over his mental health. The IRS has revealed that he registered $5m in gambling winnings last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Gun laws vary from state to state. I think that Chicago (or Illinois more accurately) has pretty strong gun laws, I could be wrong though. Hence "Trammeled". Chicago would have stronger Gun laws if the Supreme Court hadn't struck down their handgun ban in 2010 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Hence "Trammeled". Chicago would have stronger Gun laws if the Supreme Court hadn't struck down their handgun ban in 2010 And Washington DC. Same people who bang on about State rights want people in States who are free to carry concealed or open guns to be able to do so anywhere in the US, including States who have rules about it. Nevada voted for tighter rules last year but the politicians managed to squash it. Rules that are popular and relatively harmless in rural districts are being imposed on urban areas against their will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Murica 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I actually went and looked up a list of massacres in Australia. If you'll notice all the articles talking about gun control always slyly specify "gun massacres." Between 1971, when modern massacres started in Australia, and 1996 when their strict gun laws were passed there were 16 mass killings. Between 1996 and present there were 10 mass killings. 3 were arsons with 199 dead. Only one of the pre gun control attacks was arson. I wonder if those people just switched tools. There were still two gun attacks. And of course there was the recent vehicle attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia 19 hours ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Hence "Trammeled". Chicago would have stronger Gun laws if the Supreme Court hadn't struck down their handgun ban in 2010 Places can have different laws. What the Supreme Court said was that laws can't be so restrictive that law abiding citizens have no way to own a handgun in their own home. DC's was worse in that there was no legal way to get any gun into your house with the way the law was written. If Chicago really wanted to reduce their gun violence they need to focus on criminals who own guns and the illegal gun market. The main reason that gun control isn't a winning issue for Democrats is that they tailor their policies towards reducing the ability of law abiding citizens to own guns, or increasing the bureaucracy they have to deal with. Even if gun control is popular by polls, people in favor aren't going to prioritize the issue as long as the laws are ineffectual laws aimed at law abiding people. Voters aren't stupid. They know where the gun threat comes from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/05/upshot/gun-ownership-partisan-divide.html The only state where the majority of voters in non-gun owning households voted Trump was West Virginia. The only state where the majority of gun owning households voted Clinton was Vermont. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: I actually went and looked up a list of massacres in Australia. If you'll notice all the articles talking about gun control always slyly specify "gun massacres." Between 1971, when modern massacres started in Australia, and 1996 when their strict gun laws were passed there were 16 mass killings. Between 1996 and present there were 10 mass killings. 3 were arsons with 199 dead. Only one of the pre gun control attacks was arson. I wonder if those people just switched tools. There were still two gun attacks. And of course there was the recent vehicle attack. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia Places can have different laws. What the Supreme Court said was that laws can't be so restrictive that law abiding citizens have no way to own a handgun in their own home. DC's was worse in that there was no legal way to get any gun into your house with the way the law was written. If Chicago really wanted to reduce their gun violence they need to focus on criminals who own guns and the illegal gun market. The main reason that gun control isn't a winning issue for Democrats is that they tailor their policies towards reducing the ability of law abiding citizens to own guns, or increasing the bureaucracy they have to deal with. Even if gun control is popular by polls, people in favor aren't going to prioritize the issue as long as the laws are ineffectual laws aimed at law abiding people. Voters aren't stupid. They know where the gun threat comes from. With regard to massacres it's either from the quiet, inoffensive chap who lives round the corner and who always said "Good morning" or a mid life crisis man who had a troubled childhood and has just lost his job and his wife, and whose hobbies include shooting the neighbors' pets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 Well I'm convinced, abolish the UK and Australian gun laws and while we're at it revoke the 2nd Ammendment cheating ban on fully automatic weapons, never mind RPGs and tanks. If it was meant to defend the American people against its own government rather than the British why have any restrictions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Wing Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I actually went and looked up a list of massacres in Australia. ^^^ scrambling for relevance 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheProgressiveLiberal Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: With regard to massacres it's either from the quiet, inoffensive chap who lives round the corner and who always said "Good morning" or a mid life crisis man who had a troubled childhood and has just lost his job and his wife, and whose hobbies include shooting the neighbors' pets. Right, but this isn't the gun crime that gets people voting. Somewhere around between .02 and .03 people per 100,000 (this number is from Slate using Mother Jones' database of mass shootings in public places) will engage in a Las Vegas style public shooting of normal people for no discernable reason. It's way, way down the list of issues that people care about, even if you just look at crime issues. But it's the issue with guns that Democrats choose to push. So you're advocating laws that affect legal gun owners the most while affecting crime the least. It's terrible politics from a general election perspective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 4 hours ago, TheProgressiveLiberal said: I actually went and looked up a list of massacres in Australia. Which one was your favourite? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Which one was your favourite? The dingo that ate the baby was mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The dingo that ate the baby was mine. The death of Kerry Bishop made a huge impact on me, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: The death of Kerry Bishop made a huge impact on me, f**k all compared to Bouncer... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 f**k all compared to Bouncer... Yeah, but in fairness Harold Bishop was just a false flag/fake news scenario. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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