resk Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Wouldn't it be wonderful if the EU parting shot to the UK was to grant an indyref through the ECJ Gammon heads gone all over the shop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: We need senior Labour or Lib Dem politicians on board. This. An independent Scotland will be for all. I can't believe it hasn't dawned on (what's left) of Labour in Scotland that they have a part to play in shaping a Scotland free of Westminster. Who'll be the first Labour person, in the light if what's being said about them looking and listening to their members, to stand up and declare Labour here is now, on reflection, a party of Scottish independence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This. An independent Scotland will be for all. I can't believe it hasn't dawned on (what's left) of Labour in Scotland that they have a part to play in shaping a Scotland free of Westminster. Who'll be the first Labour person, in the light if what's being said about them looking and listening to their members, to stand up and declare Labour here is now, on reflection, a party of Scottish independence? Tom Harris, stick-on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pozbaird Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, the snudge said: They need a catchy slogan. f**k policies and facts. It's all about the slogan. Get indy done. Make Scotland great again. ‘Everybody listen, we’re gonnae’ have a vote, for fcuk sake make it ‘yes’ this time, cos’ Boris is a scrote’. Edited December 13, 2019 by pozbaird 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This. An independent Scotland will be for all. I can't believe it hasn't dawned on (what's left) of Labour in Scotland that they have a part to play in shaping a Scotland free of Westminster. Who'll be the first Labour person, in the light if what's being said about them looking and listening to their members, to stand up and declare Labour here is now, on reflection, a party of Scottish independence? Henry McLeish or Kezia Dugdale. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) If we held an indy ref vote on yesterdays numbers, going by the party percentage of who voted Yes & No in 2014, Con 5% Yes SNP 85% Yes Lib dem 39% Yes Labour 37% Yes Yes would win by 29,005 votes. Edit because I typed "voted" twice. Edited December 13, 2019 by johnnydun 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 31 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: 35 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: This. An independent Scotland will be for all. I can't believe it hasn't dawned on (what's left) of Labour in Scotland that they have a part to play in shaping a Scotland free of Westminster. Who'll be the first Labour person, in the light if what's being said about them looking and listening to their members, to stand up and declare Labour here is now, on reflection, a party of Scottish independence? Tom Harris, stick-on. Can't see it. He was my MP and he was alright up until Salmond melted his head and he turned into a Brexit loonball. Stewart McDonald put him out of his misery more than anything by taking his seat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Can't see it. He was my MP and he was alright up until Salmond melted his head and he turned into a Brexit loonball. Stewart McDonald put him out of his misery more than anything by taking his seat. Was Harris not the one calling on Labour voters to vote Tory in Tory-held seats? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 17 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Can't see it. He was my MP and he was alright up until Salmond melted his head and he turned into a Brexit loonball. Stewart McDonald put him out of his misery more than anything by taking his seat. Was Harris not the one calling on Labour voters to vote Tory in Tory-held seats? Quite possibly, I've lost track of him since skipping the country. I know he is, or at least was, writing for the Telegraph, which doesn't indicate that he's returned to any of his prior trade unionist sensibilities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fratelli Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) If there is to be another campaign yer Tommy Sheridan types (as good a speaker as he is) can't be the face of it again imo. As someone who voted and campaigned for Yes last time the whole movement became infested with moon howlers who's inferiority complex towards England overpowered positive aspects of what we could have been like as an Independent nation. You still see these folk on Twitter replying in their masses to anyone who dares to criticise the SNP at all. That type of attitude put a lot of folk i know off of the movement, even though Sturgeon and Salmond tried to distance themselves from it. Edited December 13, 2019 by Fratelli 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 21 minutes ago, carpetmonster said: Can't see it. He was my MP and he was alright up until Salmond melted his head and he turned into a Brexit loonball. Stewart McDonald put him out of his misery more than anything by taking his seat. Was Harris not the one calling on Labour voters to vote Tory in Tory-held seats? He was on the sunday politics show on radio shortbread a few weeks back tearing into Corbyn calling him an anti-semite saying he would destroy the union and that he was advocating for the public to vote tory. Sounded more like a bigoted bunfield politician than a so called socialist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakedee Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Would these figures include 16-17 yr olds and EU citizens ? If we held an indy ref vote on yesterdays numbers, going by the party percentage of who voted Yes & No in 2014, Con 5% Yes SNP 85% Yes Lib dem 39% Yes Labour 37% Yes Yes would win by 29,005 votes. Edit because I typed "voted" twice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnydun Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, jakedee said: Would these figures include 16-17 yr olds and EU citizens ? No this is purely on yesterdays voters and also does not include Green, Brexit party, Independent or Ukip voters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Tom Harris is a gammon lunatic. He'd the last labour figure that's switch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 He was on the sunday politics show on radio shortbread a few weeks back tearing into Corbyn calling him an anti-semite saying he would destroy the union and that he was advocating for the public to vote tory. Sounded more like a bigoted bunfield politician than a so called socialist.Er, I was actually joking guys...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, pandarilla said: If Boris says no and the courts say no thenb the SNP can create a manifesto with a really bold promise about guaranteeing independence (something that would be so plain and obvious that Boris couldn't continue to ignore it). And then the Tories will continue to ignore it. They really do not give a shit how they're perceived or what norms they end up flouting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 But it’s a valid question. When Johnson says no to a further Referendum the people of Scotland will have a serious choice to make. If the democratic will is ignored what are the alternatives?I don’t have an answer to that. I don’t think anybody does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Stinky Bone said: WE DO NOT NEED A SECTION 30 ORDER. We have a mandate to decide our own future. We have 80% of the seats in Scotland and Boris has only 57% of the seats in the whole uk. Can it be any clearer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Why can’t the SNP wait until they are picking up 60% of the vote before forcing indyref2. They still stuck at 45%. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Can it be any clearer. Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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