When will indyref2 happen?

[Lex]

Sure, let's make them look even more desperate and out of touch. Three parties with nothing to offer except SNPBaaad.

Like I said, there are unionists who support that approach, personally I don’t, and therefore I accept SNP4eva.

[sparky88]

I just want a release from perpetual SNP rule and blabbering about the constitution . Even if that means shouting out the safe word 'Yes'. 

[Abdul_Latif]

4 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

Boris introducing a UK wide national insurance levvy that goes breaks his parties manifesto.

Unionists, care to defend this? Why should Scotland put up with this, we haven't voted for the tories in decades? 

It’s an absolute nonsense, however SG can play a blinder here, by writing the monies back to Scottish payers via the Barnett consequential they will get, mitigating the impact to the individual, all the while calling the Tories out for fucking Scotland.

[Dawson Park Boy]

4 hours ago, Anonapersona said:

There's a guy at my work who thinks that climate change is a hoax because the weather outside his front door doesn't always match what the experts are saying.

You are a Brexit version of him.

Well, what disasters are you experiencing?

[speckled tangerine]

34 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Well, what disasters are you experiencing?

Couldn't get my MS medication manufactured in The Netherlands as the supply chain is fucked- Brexit.

Had a relapse.

Enjoyed the sweet smell of sovereignty as I fell down the stairs because I couldn't walk properly. 

[Anonapersona]

40 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Well, what disasters are you experiencing?

I don't have to experience the effects of something to know it's not a good thing.

[Pocketman]

1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Well, what disasters are you experiencing?

no such thing as famine 

[Baxter Parp]

6 hours ago, Lex said:

 an old friend of the first minister*

*Jim Sillars.

[BFTD]

 

6 hours ago, sergie's no1 fan said:

Boris introducing a UK wide national insurance levvy that goes breaks his parties manifesto.

Unionists, care to defend this? Why should Scotland put up with this, we haven't voted for the tories in decades? 

Aye, but Sturgeon.

That covers everything, surely.

[HTG]

2 hours ago, speckled tangerine said:

Couldn't get my MS medication manufactured in The Netherlands as the supply chain is fucked- Brexit.

Had a relapse.

Enjoyed the sweet smell of sovereignty as I fell down the stairs because I couldn't walk properly. 

Aye but apart from that etc etc. DPB is a total fucking moron. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Id quite like us to vote for Indy so we can get rid of the SNP. 

[git-intae-thum]

1 hour ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Id quite like us to vote for Indy so we can get rid of the SNP. 

Exactly.

[Dawson Park Boy]

10 hours ago, speckled tangerine said:

Couldn't get my MS medication manufactured in The Netherlands as the supply chain is fucked- Brexit.

Had a relapse.

Enjoyed the sweet smell of sovereignty as I fell down the stairs because I couldn't walk properly. 

Fair enough.

Thats a proper response to my question.

Out of interest, is this being resolved by the NHS?

[speckled tangerine]

2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Fair enough.

Thats a proper response to my question.

Out of interest, is this being resolved by the NHS?

My medication was eventually sourced from somewhere, two months supply. But this was not an isolated incident for my condition limited to my part of the country, according to my medical specialist. Stuff is in short supply all over the place. I'm not particularly looking forward to a few weeks time when I dance this dance again. 

I had a good laugh yesterday at the NI tax rise to "mend the NHS". 

You can chuck as much money as you like but when you don't have the products required (or the staff for that matter) it doesn't matter.

And what's more- this Government won't accept the reality of the here and now and have no solutions.

 

[Burning Barns]

I sincerely hope to be proven wrong on this, but I believe independence supporters are being lead up a garden path.  I don't trust the SNP to deliver it, and their new coalition partners are even less interested in it than they are.

[sparky88]

1 hour ago, Burning Barns said:

I sincerely hope to be proven wrong on this, but I believe independence supporters are being lead up a garden path.  I don't trust the SNP to deliver it, and their new coalition partners are even less interested in it than they are.

An independence referendum would kill the golden goose either way for the SNP.

[Burning Barns]

20 minutes ago, sparky88 said:

An independence referendum would kill the golden goose either way for the SNP.

I'm not convinced that the SNP would be voted out immediately after independence.  Perhaps it's a risk they're not willing to take.  It seems that a vague promise of a referendum, someday, even with no meaningful work having been done for years at this point to build the case for independence by the party, is still enough to see them through electorally.  It won't be forever, though.

[DukDukGoose]

11 minutes ago, Burning Barns said:

I'm not convinced that the SNP would be voted out immediately after independence.  Perhaps it's a risk they're not willing to take.  It seems that a vague promise of a referendum, someday, even with no meaningful work having been done for years at this point to build the case for independence by the party, is still enough to see them through electorally.  It won't be forever, though.

The SNP wouldn't be what it is now.

You could argue they'd still win initially if Nicola is still the leader of the party but it would certainly splinter.

[Burning Barns]

6 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

The SNP wouldn't be what it is now.

You could argue they'd still win initially if Nicola is still the leader of the party but it would certainly splinter.

I think they would almost certainly win at least the first independent Scottish election, but after that, there'd be too many variables to make predictions beyond then.

I resigned my membership earlier this year, but I'd always been of the mindset that the SNP was merely the vehicle to get to independence.  Once we had achieved it, there would be an entirely new political landscape in Scotland.  It would no longer be about who is a nationalist, and who is, essentially, a collaborator with a foreign power.  

[DukDukGoose]

1 hour ago, Burning Barns said:

I think they would almost certainly win at least the first independent Scottish election, but after that, there'd be too many variables to make predictions beyond then.

I resigned my membership earlier this year, but I'd always been of the mindset that the SNP was merely the vehicle to get to independence.  Once we had achieved it, there would be an entirely new political landscape in Scotland.  It would no longer be about who is a nationalist, and who is, essentially, a collaborator with a foreign power.  

Yeah this is exactly my thoughts.

Several of my friends are finally on the side of independence after realising it's Tories in power forever. Me and another in the group have always wanted independence and have very different political views. I doubt we'd vote for the same party following independence but we both see the SNP as a means to an end just now.