ICTJohnboy Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Seems to be polls coming out every 5 minutes showing a small majority now in favour of remaining in the union. Reasons given for this are entirely due to the Sturgeon/Salmond conflict. I just don't see why this should make any difference. Either you want an independent Scotland or you don't. Anyone on here changed their mind in light of recent developments? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Seems to be polls coming out every 5 minutes showing a small majority now in favour of remaining in the union. Reasons given for this are entirely due to the Sturgeon/Salmond conflict. I just don't see why this should make any difference. Either you want an independent Scotland or you don't. Anyone on here changed their mind in light of recent developments? Rightly or wrongly there are a portion of the electorate that view independence as giving the SNP the keys to the car. Things like the Salmond/Sturgeon thing can give a general distrust of the SNP or even a distrust of Scottish politicians in general that could push soft yes voters to stay home and motivate soft no voters to turn out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: Seems to be polls coming out every 5 minutes showing a small majority now in favour of remaining in the union. Reasons given for this are entirely due to the Sturgeon/Salmond conflict. I just don't see why this should make any difference. Either you want an independent Scotland or you don't. Exactly. If they said that SNP support had fallen, that would make sense, even if you didn't think it valid. Then again, I'd forgotten we're stuck with the SNP for life in an independent Scotland. Suddenly it all becomes clear. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Donathan said: Rightly or wrongly there are a portion of the electorate that view independence as giving the SNP the keys to the car. Things like the Salmond/Sturgeon thing can give a general distrust of the SNP or even a distrust of Scottish politicians in general that could push soft yes voters to stay home and motivate soft no voters to turn out. You're right. They should be doing more to emphasize that indyref2 will be about bringing greater benefits for all of Scotland, not just themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 It's one of the reasons that the leaders of the yes campaign next time shouldn't be from the SNP.Too many, amazingly, still think that Independence and the SNP are the same thing and that you can't have the further without the latter.People seem genuinely confused when you tell them you support independence but not the SNP and that you wouldn't vote for them in an iScot, like that wouldn't be possible or something. [emoji1751] 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, gaz5 said: It's one of the reasons that the leaders of the yes campaign next time shouldn't be from the SNP. Too many, amazingly, still think that Independence and the SNP are the same thing and that you can't have the further without the latter. People seem genuinely confused when you tell them you support independence but not the SNP and that you wouldn't vote for them in an iScot, like that wouldn't be possible or something. It amazes me how often we have this debate. I cannot see there being an SNP once we become Independent. There would undoubtedly be a transitional period and during that time interests will split between ‘conventional’ political lines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 It amazes me how often we have this debate. I cannot see there being an SNP once we become Independent. There would undoubtedly be a transitional period and during that time interests will split between ‘conventional’ political lines.100% agree.It really confuses people who hate the SNP when you tell them their best route to get rid of the SNP for good is to vote for independence...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 53 minutes ago, gaz5 said: It's one of the reasons that the leaders of the yes campaign next time shouldn't be from the SNP. Too many, amazingly, still think that Independence and the SNP are the same thing and that you can't have the further without the latter. People seem genuinely confused when you tell them you support independence but not the SNP and that you wouldn't vote for them in an iScot, like that wouldn't be possible or something. Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 https://www.gov.scot/publications/brexit-uk-internal-market-act-devolution/After Brexit: The UK Internal Market Act & Devolution 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz5 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example.Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate.Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps.Or someone from completely outside of politics.I don't have a good answer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, gaz5 said: Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate. Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps. Or someone from completely outside of politics. I don't have a good answer. It kinda has to be Sturgeon I think. Despite everything she's fucked up recently, she's still clearly the most popular politician in Scotland. If you made another person the figurehead of Yes, then they'd be very likely to feel undermined. Maybe the solution is for Sturgeon to announce the referendum date and then RESIGN as First Minister and SNP leader, setting up a proper Loser Leaves Town match with whatever poindexter No puts up. Ruth Davidson probably. Would be great for the narrative. Edited March 8, 2021 by G51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, gaz5 said: Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate. Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps. Or someone from completely outside of politics. I don't have a good answer. I don't think P Harvie is the answer. His big win in the budget was free school meals. When asked on The Nine "how much" he struggled like he was DRoss. Good question though. I didn't think Blair Jenkins was dynamic enough seven years ago. Does it really have to be someone that is old? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example.You'd need a high profile Labour person - someone like McLeish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 29 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example. You'd need a high profile Labour person - someone like McLeish. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 51 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example. You'd need a high profile Labour person - someone like McLeish. The last time McLeish was in charge of Scotland the results were pretty mixed. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 52 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example. Alan Cumming 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Why?Not necessarily him but someone high profile to make the soft No Labour voters switch or at least be less tribal about it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blootoon87 Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate.Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps.Or someone from completely outside of politics.I don't have a good answer.Meghan Markle for a laugh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 Boris Johnson will dismiss indyref2 calls without SNP majority, Curtice warnshttps://www.thenational.scot/news/19145490.boris-johnson-will-dismiss-indyref2-calls-without-snp-majority-curtice-warns/Think on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 It must be hard to keep coming up with absolutely nothing stories for the comic that is the National. In other news Elvis is dead and man has walked on the moon. Next week they'll release the much anticipated "Boris will say No even with majority" headline. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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