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Seems to be polls coming out every 5 minutes showing a small majority now in favour of remaining in the union. Reasons given for this are entirely due to the Sturgeon/Salmond conflict. I just don't see why this should make any difference. Either you want an independent Scotland or you don't.

Anyone on here changed their mind in light of recent developments?

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5 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

Seems to be polls coming out every 5 minutes showing a small majority now in favour of remaining in the union. Reasons given for this are entirely due to the Sturgeon/Salmond conflict. I just don't see why this should make any difference. Either you want an independent Scotland or you don't.

Anyone on here changed their mind in light of recent developments?

 

Rightly or wrongly there are a portion of the electorate that view independence as giving the SNP the keys to the car.

 

Things like the Salmond/Sturgeon thing can give a general distrust of the SNP or even a distrust of Scottish politicians in general that could push soft yes voters to stay home and motivate soft no voters to turn out.

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6 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

Seems to be polls coming out every 5 minutes showing a small majority now in favour of remaining in the union. Reasons given for this are entirely due to the Sturgeon/Salmond conflict. I just don't see why this should make any difference. Either you want an independent Scotland or you don't.

Exactly. If they said that SNP support had fallen, that would make sense, even if you didn't think it valid.

Then again, I'd forgotten we're stuck with the SNP for life in an independent Scotland. Suddenly it all becomes clear.

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2 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

Rightly or wrongly there are a portion of the electorate that view independence as giving the SNP the keys to the car.

 

Things like the Salmond/Sturgeon thing can give a general distrust of the SNP or even a distrust of Scottish politicians in general that could push soft yes voters to stay home and motivate soft no voters to turn out.

 

You're right. They should be doing more to emphasize that indyref2 will be about bringing greater benefits for all of Scotland, not just themselves.

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It's one of the reasons that the leaders of the yes campaign next time shouldn't be from the SNP.

Too many, amazingly, still think that Independence and the SNP are the same thing and that you can't have the further without the latter.

People seem genuinely confused when you tell them you support independence but not the SNP and that you wouldn't vote for them in an iScot, like that wouldn't be possible or something. [emoji1751]

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32 minutes ago, gaz5 said:

It's one of the reasons that the leaders of the yes campaign next time shouldn't be from the SNP.

Too many, amazingly, still think that Independence and the SNP are the same thing and that you can't have the further without the latter.

People seem genuinely confused when you tell them you support independence but not the SNP and that you wouldn't vote for them in an iScot, like that wouldn't be possible or something. emoji1751.png

It amazes me how often we have this debate.  I cannot see there being an SNP once we become Independent.

There would undoubtedly be a transitional period and during that time interests will split between ‘conventional’ political lines.

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It amazes me how often we have this debate.  I cannot see there being an SNP once we become Independent.
There would undoubtedly be a transitional period and during that time interests will split between ‘conventional’ political lines.
100% agree.

It really confuses people who hate the SNP when you tell them their best route to get rid of the SNP for good is to vote for independence......
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53 minutes ago, gaz5 said:

It's one of the reasons that the leaders of the yes campaign next time shouldn't be from the SNP.

Too many, amazingly, still think that Independence and the SNP are the same thing and that you can't have the further without the latter.

People seem genuinely confused when you tell them you support independence but not the SNP and that you wouldn't vote for them in an iScot, like that wouldn't be possible or something. emoji1751.png

Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example.

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Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example.
Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate.

Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps.

Or someone from completely outside of politics.

I don't have a good answer.
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11 minutes ago, gaz5 said:

Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate.

Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps.

Or someone from completely outside of politics.

I don't have a good answer.

It kinda has to be Sturgeon I think. Despite everything she's fucked up recently, she's still clearly the most popular politician in Scotland. If you made another person the figurehead of Yes, then they'd be very likely to feel undermined.

Maybe the solution is for Sturgeon to announce the referendum date and then RESIGN as First Minister and SNP leader, setting up a proper Loser Leaves Town match with whatever poindexter No puts up. Ruth Davidson probably. Would be great for the narrative.

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6 minutes ago, gaz5 said:

Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate.

Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps.

Or someone from completely outside of politics.

I don't have a good answer.

I don't think P Harvie is the answer.

His big win in the budget was free school meals. When asked on The Nine "how much" he struggled like he was DRoss.

Good question though. I didn't think Blair Jenkins was dynamic enough seven years ago.

Does it really have to be someone that is old? 

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2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
29 minutes ago, NotThePars said:
Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example.

You'd need a high profile Labour person - someone like McLeish.

Why?

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23 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:
51 minutes ago, NotThePars said:
Who would that be though? The SNP hoovered up most of the talent post-2014. I doubt anyone's clamouring for someone from Common Space or the remnants of Radical Independence for example.

You'd need a high profile Labour person - someone like McLeish.

The last time McLeish was in charge of Scotland the results were pretty mixed.

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Yeah, I dunno. I just don't think the next one can be made as much about the leader of the SNP as it is the actual point of the debate.

Someone like Patrick Harvie, perhaps.

Or someone from completely outside of politics.

I don't have a good answer.
Meghan Markle for a laugh.
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It must be hard to keep coming up with absolutely nothing stories for the comic that is the National. 

In other news Elvis is dead and man has walked on the moon.

Next week they'll release the much anticipated "Boris will say No even with majority" headline. 

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