When will indyref2 happen?

[Wee-Bey]

2 hours ago, Stormzy said:

Elf is shite. 

Terrible posting.

It's a beloved children's Xmas movie.

[welshbairn]

https://www.facebook.com/YesScot/videos/212681280546773/

[The_Kincardine]

4 hours ago, welshbairn said:

https://www.facebook.com/YesScot/videos/212681280546773/

That looks so dated now.

We're more than half way through her first 100 days and there isn't a sign of Nippy's promised remobilisation recovery plan nor of the bikes and laptops the weans were promised.  A few other things missing: 
-Big Pete.
-The ones who may have lied before the inquiry into her botching of Salmond's conviction - Lloyd, Wolfe and Evans.
-The £600K
-Her memory

Some things don't change though - since we had Nippy lying yesterday about the advice given to Scotland fans wrt travel to London.

With a discredited and untrustworthy FM and a deeply flawed and incompetent porridgeburo we're decades away from IndyRef2.

[welshbairn]

17 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said:

That looks so dated now.

We're more than half way through her first 100 days and there isn't a sign of Nippy's promised remobilisation recovery plan nor of the bikes and laptops the weans were promised.  A few other things missing: 
-Big Pete.
-The ones who may have lied before the inquiry into her botching of Salmond's conviction - Lloyd, Wolfe and Evans.
-The £600K
-Her memory

Some things don't change though - since we had Nippy lying yesterday about the advice given to Scotland fans wrt travel to London.

With a discredited and untrustworthy FM and a deeply flawed and incompetent porridgeburo we're decades away from IndyRef2.

It's sweet how disillusioned home counties Tories are so concerned about where our indy ref war chest is lying in wait, with Cummings picking off their leaders one by one.

[sophia]

1 hour ago, The_Kincardine said:

there isn't a sign of Nippy's promised laptops the weans were promised.  

 

this made me chuckle

[GordonS]

Anyone calling Sturgeon Nippy or Krankie needs to find the coldest, deepest darkest patch of sea they can find and deposit themselves therein.

It's not just yer da patter, it's also misogynist.

Call her an arsehole if you want but try to use insults that tell me more about her than they do about you.

Edited June 30, 2021 by GordonS

[GordonS]

On 28/06/2021 at 10:08, Antlion said:

England never legally dissolved its parliament. It simply enlarged its territorial competence to include all of mainland GB. It continued operating the day after the Treaty of Union as it had the day before, with all its privileges, customs, and traditions intact. It very explicitly didn’t dissolve itself, as there were worries at the time that it would undo its existing legislation if it did so. There’s a reason those “Henry VIII” powers of the English parliament were in use a couple of years ago: because the English parliament that introduced them was never dissolved.

Did I miss the bit where he replied "My mistake, I shall not repeat my erroneous claim and I will reconsider the opinions I hold that are based upon this misconception"?

[SANTAN]

8 hours ago, GordonS said:

Anyone calling Sturgeon Nippy or Krankie needs to find the coldest, deepest darkest patch of sea they can find and deposit themselves therein.

It's not just yer da patter, it's also misogynist.

Call her an arsehole if you want but try to use insults that tell me more about her than they do about you.

Bro you literally call catholics beadrattlers stop trying to police other peoples language and insinuate things about them, oh aye and shave off the island mate, just embrace the bald. 

[alta-pete]

9 hours ago, GordonS said:

Anyone calling Sturgeon Nippy or Krankie needs to find the coldest, deepest darkest patch of sea they can find and deposit themselves therein.

It's not just yer da patter, it's also misogynist.

Call her an arsehole if you want but try to use insults that tell me more about her than they do about you.

Go and explain to me how Nippy / Krankie is misogynist? 

[GordonS]

Just now, alta-pete said:

Go and explain to me how Nippy / Krankie is misogynist? 

Insulting a woman for not looking feminine enough for your standards is just sexist. She's not here to please us with her appearance.

Nippy is worse though - no man is ever called that and there's not even a male equivalent at all. It's part of telling women how to behave, and that they're not allowed to behave the same as men. If they're assertive they get called Nippy. A man acting the exact same way would be called tough, combative, no-nonsense at most.

In any case Sturgeon isn't even a particularly combative politician. She's no more combative than Salmond and he got called many things, but never Nippy or any equivalent pejorative term.

The fact that there isn't an equivalent term for men is pretty telling.

[Wee-Bey]

Kincy on top form with that porridgeburo quip. I'm also enjoying his Trumpian nicknames for certain posters. Celtic poster Henrik's Tongue is 'Henpecked Henry'. Just pure Donald.

[alta-pete]

29 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Insulting a woman for not looking feminine enough for your standards is just sexist. She's not here to please us with her appearance.

Nippy is worse though - no man is ever called that and there's not even a male equivalent at all. It's part of telling women how to behave, and that they're not allowed to behave the same as men. If they're assertive they get called Nippy. A man acting the exact same way would be called tough, combative, no-nonsense at most.

In any case Sturgeon isn't even a particularly combative politician. She's no more combative than Salmond and he got called many things, but never Nippy or any equivalent pejorative term.

The fact that there isn't an equivalent term for men is pretty telling.

Fair enough but I don't think Krankie makes any insult as to not being feminine enough - it's a moniker that seems apt just because there's a fleeting resemblance and both are (in some parts) seen as Scottish women with some comedic value. It fits, it sticks.

And Nippy - my interpretation anyway - is a condensed Nippy Sweetie. You get both men and women described as such. And again, it seems to fit her character.

Boris gets called bumbling, daft wee Willie, Ruth the mooth, etc. It's cheap insults, petty digs, absolutely - I get that both are pejorative but I just don't see them as being inherently misogynistic.

[NotThePars]

Nobody’s hardly calling anyone seen as traditionally masculine a “nippy sweetie” it’s obviously a loaded gendered term regardless of whether you give a shit about that or not. Anyway, above all, it is shite patter except when I do it then it’s cool and subversive.

[SANTAN]

What do we all think about Maybot? 

If I was an utter bore like Gordon I'm sure I could make an argument that her "robotic" nature is partly due to similar non femine qualities that she had which lead to this othering for non stereotypical female politicans. 

I think it's easy to point out how certain insults aimed at politicans only stick due to the gender of the politican but I think it's a lot harder arguing that these insults are driven solely by their gender. 

Edited July 1, 2021 by Stormzy

[GordonS]

1 hour ago, alta-pete said:

Fair enough but I don't think Krankie makes any insult as to not being feminine enough - it's a moniker that seems apt just because there's a fleeting resemblance and both are (in some parts) seen as Scottish women with some comedic value. It fits, it sticks.

And Nippy - my interpretation anyway - is a condensed Nippy Sweetie. You get both men and women described as such. And again, it seems to fit her character.

Boris gets called bumbling, daft wee Willie, Ruth the mooth, etc. It's cheap insults, petty digs, absolutely - I get that both are pejorative but I just don't see them as being inherently misogynistic.

I have lived in Scotland all my life and never once have I ever head any man described as a nippy sweetie. I don't believe that happens.

"Bumbling" isn't gendered, nor is "daft", or "the mooth". Nippy Sweetie is definitely gendered. And it's designed to undermine assertive women. It's like how only women get called bossy, but worse.

Krankie isn't nearly as bad but it's still slagging off a woman about being ugly, and that's tied to how women are objectified. Men often get the same type of abuse - not to the same extent of course - but men as a whole aren't expected by society to be good-looking or to dress well.

[Thorongil]

I have never heard anyone other than Nicola Sturgeon be referred to as a nippy sweetie. 
 

Couldn’t care less if there is a gender element to it or not.

[Thorongil]

3 hours ago, GordonS said:

Insulting a woman for not looking feminine enough for your standards is just sexist. She's not here to please us with her appearance.

Nippy is worse though - no man is ever called that and there's not even a male equivalent at all. It's part of telling women how to behave, and that they're not allowed to behave the same as men. If they're assertive they get called Nippy. A man acting the exact same way would be called tough, combative, no-nonsense at most.

In any case Sturgeon isn't even a particularly combative politician. She's no more combative than Salmond and he got called many things, but never Nippy or any equivalent pejorative term.

The fact that there isn't an equivalent term for men is pretty telling.

The pejorative normally thrown at men is around the trope of “ego” or penis size, or if a man is short he is accused of having “small man syndrome”.

again, I couldn’t care less. Those who torture themselves on these linguistic semantics and seek to ascribe additional negative significance to everything people say need to get better hobbies. 

[Thorongil]

12 hours ago, GordonS said:

Anyone calling Sturgeon Nippy or Krankie needs to find the coldest, deepest darkest patch of sea they can find and deposit themselves therein.

It's not just yer da patter, it's also misogynist.

Call her an arsehole if you want but try to use insults that tell me more about her than they do about you.

People who refer to the sea in this way need to develop new patter urgently. 

[Dawson Park Boy]

27 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

The pejorative normally thrown at men is around the trope of “ego” or penis size, or if a man is short he is accused of having “small man syndrome”.

again, I couldn’t care less. Those who torture themselves on these linguistic semantics and seek to ascribe additional negative significance to everything people say need to get better hobbies. 

Yep - they need to get a life.

Tends to be people in the public service. Must be all the diversity training.

[GordonS]

38 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

The pejorative normally thrown at men is around the trope of “ego” or penis size, or if a man is short he is accused of having “small man syndrome”.

again, I couldn’t care less. Those who torture themselves on these linguistic semantics and seek to ascribe additional negative significance to everything people say need to get better hobbies. 

Ego doesn't remotely carry the same pejorative sense as nippy sweetie.

I'm sorry you can't see how words have the power to cause great harm and to shape how we see the world. They do they, and you're just plain wrong.