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1 minute ago, Kenneth840 said:

Sturgeonites, pay attention!

The indy movement certainly needs a reset, a reset which now looks like a brutal awakening sometime later this year or next when it can no longer believe the ‘referendum is coming’ myth.

But above all we need a reset of political leadership. Tories are Tories – they will enrich the rich and impoverish the poor as certain as day follows night. Shy of independence only structural change in Scotland can insulate us from this. They’re Tories so this financial settlement was inevitable. What wasn’t inevitable was the seven wasted years that left us as vulnerable to this as we ever were.

Glueing ourselves to London’s economic doctrine was a choice made by Sturgeon and Forbes. It is they and they alone who must answer for how we are weaker after seven years of their rule than we were before they got ‘started’.

But a larger price will be paid for all of this. It is time for each of us to take a minute to think carefully about what that price should be and who should pay it.

https://robinmcalpine.org/now-a-price-will-be-paid/

 

 

 

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Ok, this referendum that is happening, because it has been guaranteed by by our First Minister herself in 2023, has anyone thought about the campaign and how we should go about it?  Or are we about to repeat the mistakes of 2014 again.  

I think we are. 

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11 minutes ago, Kenneth840 said:

Where is welshy when you want an answer to the Snp incompetence!

Well for a start, how do we unglue ourselves from London's economic doctrine without borrowing powers?

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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

Well for a start, how do we unglue ourselves from London's economic doctrine without borrowing powers?

f**k's sake, min. Do you need it explained to you yet again that we UDI and the entire world respects our government's decision, while Westminster thinks, "drat, they've called our bluff, there's nothing we can do"?  :lol:

Wonder what's kicked off this weekend's "...and another thing!" multi-post meltdown. If my computer time was this limited, I'd be playing Doom, personally.

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15 minutes ago, strichener said:

We have borrowing powers.

Great, throw in a bit of quantitative easing and we kick off a new regime on Monday! Except a maximum of £450 million wouldn't take us very far in rejigging the economy.

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44 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Great, throw in a bit of quantitative easing and we kick off a new regime on Monday! Except a maximum of £450 million wouldn't take us very far in rejigging the economy.

As a matter of interest, how would you want to rejig the economy?

More socialist or more capitalist?

More green, no fracking, no more oil exploration, no crop gene editing - what’s the plan?

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41 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

As a matter of interest, how would you want to rejig the economy?

More socialist or more capitalist?

More green, no fracking, no more oil exploration, no crop gene editing - what’s the plan?

Give me a month or so and I'll give you a breakdown.

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11 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Give me a month or so and I'll give you a breakdown.

Sorry, we demand quicker breakdowns from posters on the Politics board.

You'll never make the Heads Gone thread at this rate.

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13 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Great, throw in a bit of quantitative easing and we kick off a new regime on Monday! Except a maximum of £450 million wouldn't take us very far in rejigging the economy.

How can we borrow £450m without borrowing powers?

We don't have the power to borrow just £450m though.  I am sure after your initial uniformed post and subsequent Google search you will see that we can borrow significantly more than that.

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27 minutes ago, williemillersmoustache said:

How fucking tedious. The never ending slavers about the ability to borrow for specific capital expenditures but not day to day spend.

There’s an underlying point.  A country that does not have full financial autonomy will never be able to determine its own future.

Certain craven creatures are quite happy with this state of affairs.

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1 hour ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

Just watched the interviews with Ian Duncan and Alex Salmond on the BBC and how interesting and articulate these two were. What a difference from the usual dullards of Scottish politics who are usually wheeled on.

 

You mean like D.Ross?

Salmond was very good, and made several excellent points as to how we should proceed towards Indyref2.

Surprised to find we are in agreement on this. 

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46 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

You mean like D.Ross?

Salmond was very good, and made several excellent points as to how we should proceed towards Indyref2.

Surprised to find we are in agreement on this. 

Yes- D Ross and most of the SNP ministers are hopeless.

Politically, I am totally opposed to Salmond but, as a political communicator he is streets ahead of Nicola and the rest.

Duncan, who I don’t know much about, was articulate and honest in his views.

Made a welcome change.

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