BFTD Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 This is the same person, surely. There can't be two of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 Ffs folks, just get this Jedi roaster straight on the ignore list. Total trolling bore with zero worth listening to. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 I've just found this guy's YouTube channel and it turns out he's done some economics-based videos about Scottish independence. The two below make for interesting watches/listens. BYW he's not Scottish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 On 26/05/2024 at 17:04, Dan Steele said: It was certainly a chance. Even without an obvious route do people favouring independence now just give up? Is it a case of just shrugging, accepting and getting on with this total binfire of a UK? Kinda feels that way aye. Just can't see a way to get another referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamba_trio Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 On 27/05/2024 at 00:14, Binos said: The endless bleating afterwards, from the victors, it was a once in a generation chance Well a generation is generally accepted as 15 years I feel we should have another vote before 2030 as with quebec, one vote is not enough, the subject will rumble on forever Being take out of the EU despite every Scottish region voting to stay should have been enough. And, before the vote, it was widely accepted that Brexit would lead to another independence referendum. As soon as Westminster discovered they could say no and ignore the elected Scottish parliament without losing any votes in Scotland, the chance of another referendum died forever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 9 hours ago, HoBNob said: Kinda feels that way aye. Just can't see a way to get another referendum. It won’t happen at this coming election, but the next time the SNP do well and there’s a hung parliament they should form a coalition with the largest party and demand a referendum. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamba_trio Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, JS_FFC said: It won’t happen at this coming election, but the next time the SNP do well and there’s a hung parliament they should form a coalition with the largest party and demand a referendum. No one is going to join with them though. The Tories and Labour both earn more votes by telling those pesky Scots to get stuffed. They'd go into coalition together before they'd allow the SNP a say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, JS_FFC said: It won’t happen at this coming election, but the next time the SNP do well and there’s a hung parliament they should form a coalition with the largest party and demand a referendum. They would definitely not want a coalition, rather make support for the King’s Speech and any future legislation contingent upon another Referendum. They would also need to have the bottle to force a further GE if necessary. Also it wouldn’t necessarily need to be the largest party they do a deal with, so long as between them they have a working majority. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 If one of the big parties fancies being in opposition for the foreseeable future, losing Scotland or Wales would be a great way to go. England doesn't really want either of us, but they don't react well to "losing". Call Me Dave only agreed because he was absolutely sure he'd get a favourable result and still came close to fucking it. Such a shame we never got to see how they'd have wriggled their way out of it; maybe 90%+ turnout would have been retrospectively required, perhaps 60%+ in favour would have been needed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 56 minutes ago, BFTD said: If one of the big parties fancies being in opposition for the foreseeable future, losing Scotland or Wales would be a great way to go. England doesn't really want either of us, but they don't react well to "losing". Call Me Dave only agreed because he was absolutely sure he'd get a favourable result and still came close to fucking it. Such a shame we never got to see how they'd have wriggled their way out of it; maybe 90%+ turnout would have been retrospectively required, perhaps 60%+ in favour would have been needed. I don’t agree. An Independent Scotland would be a massive electoral gain for the Conservatives in future elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I don’t agree. An Independent Scotland would be a massive electoral gain for the Conservatives in future elections. Us not voting for them hasn't harmed their chances in UK elections at all, so it would only be on the "nice bonus" list. Even this time, we could all vote Tory as a block and it wouldn't affect the outcome. Actually allowing Scotland to f**k off would kill them with at least half of their voter base, likely on a permanent basis. Not because they like/want us, you understand, but because it's yet more evidence that the Empire is over and England is just a wee island with only nuclear weapons to differentiate it from anywhere else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 29 minutes ago, BFTD said: Us not voting for them hasn't harmed their chances in UK elections at all, so it would only be on the "nice bonus" list. Even this time, we could all vote Tory as a block and it wouldn't affect the outcome. Actually allowing Scotland to f**k off would kill them with at least half of their voter base, likely on a permanent basis. Not because they like/want us, you understand, but because it's yet more evidence that the Empire is over and England is just a wee island with only nuclear weapons to differentiate it from anywhere else. I’m struggling to understand that. However, based on the last 50 years or so, a U.K. without Scotland would benefit the Tories electorally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 6 hours ago, tamba_trio said: No one is going to join with them though. The Tories and Labour both earn more votes by telling those pesky Scots to get stuffed. They'd go into coalition together before they'd allow the SNP a say. Aye, correct. The way labour have cosied upto the Tories since the 2014 referendum means I can't vote for them either, I can't say I'm massively enthused with a Starmer led labour party taking over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 14 hours ago, tamba_trio said: Being take out of the EU despite every Scottish region voting to stay should have been enough. And, before the vote, it was widely accepted that Brexit would lead to another independence referendum. As soon as Westminster discovered they could say no and ignore the elected Scottish parliament without losing any votes in Scotland, the chance of another referendum died forever. The complete fraud that was 'the vow' Should have been enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 57 minutes ago, Binos said: The complete fraud that was 'the vow' Should have been enough But that was invented by a newspaper; the politicians had nothing to do with it. And if they did, it wasn't a literal promise. And if it was, hardly anyone knew about it anyway. And if they did, nobody actually believed it. And if they did, it's their own fault for being so stupid. (not sure if I've missed anything there) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamba_trio Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 16 hours ago, BFTD said: But that was invented by a newspaper; the politicians had nothing to do with it. And if they did, it wasn't a literal promise. And if it was, hardly anyone knew about it anyway. And if they did, nobody actually believed it. And if they did, it's their own fault for being so stupid. (not sure if I've missed anything there) Christ, it's been 10 years and I can still feel my blood pressure rise thinking about "the vow". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedi2 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Best article I have seen so far on the current situation https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/24361992.wake-yes-voters-snp-conning-us-indy/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 21 minutes ago, Jedi2 said: Best article I have seen so far on the current situation https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/viewpoint/24361992.wake-yes-voters-snp-conning-us-indy/ The Herald? Tory rag, which you worship and behold to. The only conning going on is the voters like yourself being suckered into voting for a sham Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Who is Mackay trying to destroy this time? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 On 27/05/2024 at 07:59, Jedi2 said: Wouldn't trust you to walk me across the street let alone pay a bet. However, if the SNP win a majority of seats I will gladly make a donation to a Charity of your choice. I have a 100% record of paying up on bets. Why else would I have sent a cheque to East Fife, which was acknowledged on here? The only person I know on P'nB that refused to pay up ona bet was @TheKincardine, a Yoon like you. Let's get specific about your charity donation though. If the SNP win 29 seats in Scotland, you will make a donation to a charity of my choice, you say? How much of a donation are you willing to risk? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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