Tibbermoresaint Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 13 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Breaking news: Post-independence Scots' shite doesn't smell. We'll need to demolish Ibrox and Celtic Park first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Neither of which will be borne by an independent Scotland. The North sea decommissioning would be a Scottish liability on independence if there was no agreement with rUK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, strichener said: The North sea decommissioning would be a Scottish liability on independence if there was no agreement with rUK. North Sea decommissioning costs will be borne by the owners of the assets being decommissioned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaspianChris Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Very, very soon I hope especially if fat Boris gets into Downing Street. If this is the outcome then maybe it might be just be worth such an outcome. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-victory-will-end-union-lbmrc09vt 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Very, very soon I hope especially if fat Boris gets into Downing Street. If this is the outcome then maybe it might be just be worth such an outcome.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-victory-will-end-union-lbmrc09vtHunt the c***s odds keep shortening. This is not good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Derp. You're half right and I'm half wrong. Half is by operators, half is by tax relief. Assuming we have the same tax rules as we do currently. Why would we do that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 25 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: 1 hour ago, CaspianChris said: Very, very soon I hope especially if fat Boris gets into Downing Street. If this is the outcome then maybe it might be just be worth such an outcome.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-victory-will-end-union-lbmrc09vt Hunt the c***s odds keep shortening. This is not good. They'll go for Johnson as Hunt was on Today show saying he wants a deal and if it kicks past halloween so be it. That is like telling an old tory party member that your going to fillet his first born and eat it after performing the rights to make the wean halal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 10 hours ago, The_Kincardine said: Breaking news: Post-independence Scots' shite doesn't smell. 10 hours ago, Tibbermoresaint said: We'll need to demolish Ibrox and Celtic Park first. Just Ibrox. Celtic Park can be established as the new parliament of an independent Scotland where all the governing t**gs can meet together and discuss how much they despised The Rangers and the English. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Simply replace nuclear with North sea. Both of which will be similar costs for decommissioning.How many rigs could you decommission for the same price as decommissioning Sellafield ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Just Ibrox. Celtic Park can be established as the new parliament of an independent Scotland where all the governing t**gs can meet together and discuss how much they despised The Rangers and the English. Is Celtic park naw awash with those old traditionalist Yoon Labour types who advocate for a free Ireland and free Palestine but vote against Indy because the Scottish government was wanting to stop them singing offensive songs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Decommisioning the North Sea platforms will get cheaper. Leave in place will become the new norm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Decommisioning the North Sea platforms will get cheaper. Leave in place will become the new norm. There was a programme the other night about decommissioning an old production platform and the cost compared to the paltry scrap value was immense. If the tanks and pipes etc are properly purged and cleaned, it wouldn't surprise me if following the original plan of dumping them in a deep ocean trench would be the least environmentally damaging way of dealing with them, before Greenpeace stepped in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 45 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: How many rigs could you decommission for the same price as decommissioning Sellafield ? How many nuclear subs are based at Sellafield? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 How many nuclear subs are based at Sellafield?Both the nuclear power industry and the nuclear arms industry in Britain are intrinsically linked. Decommissioning any of it is liable to experience skyrocketing costs year after year for at least the next 60 years. Getting rid of oil platforms isn't in the same league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AUFC90 said: 12 minutes ago, strichener said: How many nuclear subs are based at Sellafield? Both the nuclear power industry and the nuclear arms industry in Britain are intrinsically linked. Decommissioning any of it is liable to experience skyrocketing costs year after year for at least the next 60 years. Getting rid of oil platforms isn't in the same league. We have proportionately more nuclear sites than the rUK. Edited June 24, 2019 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 We have proportionately more nuclear sites than the rUK.We don't have any as bad as some of the English plants though. Used for years to process spent fuel from around the world and all the rest. How many oil rigs,plus the jobs that go with it, would our population share of decommissioning Sellafield, Building Hinkley point and renewing Trident buy us ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: One of the big issues is you have to clear all the barnacles etc off if you want to recycle the steel etc., but then what to do with the residue? It is classed as biological waste so it can't go to landfill, it's full of seawater so it can't be pulped and used as fertiliser, it can't be chucked over the side as that counts as an unauthorised discharge to the environment (but that's probably what happens "accidentally"). Quite a challenge to deal with some of this stuff and that's not even talking about the really nasty stuff like fire retardants. Whole new industries are going to be needed. The biggest issue is the radioactive LSA scale that has to be cleaned from the pipes and associated equipment. The costs are substantial even when compared to the entire tax take from the production. Currently the estimated costs of decommissioning at between 60 and 80 billion against a total tax take of 330 billion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, strichener said: The biggest issue is the radioactive LSA scale that has to be cleaned from the pipes and associated equipment. The costs are substantial even when compared to the entire tax take from the production. Currently the estimated costs of decommissioning at between 60 and 80 billion against a total tax take of 330 billion. So it'll cost oil companies £60-80bn and the Scottish taxpayer will get £330bn. Sounds good to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Tibbermoresaint said: So it'll cost oil companies £60-80bn and the Scottish taxpayer will get £330bn. Sounds good to me. The entire tax take is what the industry has contributed since the 60s, not what it will contribute going forward. The North Sea oil industry will not generate £330 bln of revenue over it's remaining life let alone this amount in tax. It would be very difficult, given the way the industry has fragmented over the last couple of decades, for the Scottish Government in an Independent Scotland to remove the tax allowances for decommissioning. Such a move would undoubtedlylead to the viability of many assets becoming more than questionable and operators liquidating their assets in the North Sea. In such instances, the liability for removal will rest with the government entirely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, strichener said: The entire tax take is what the industry has contributed since the 60s, not what it will contribute going forward. The North Sea oil industry will not generate £330 bln of revenue over it's remaining life let alone this amount in tax. It would be very difficult, given the way the industry has fragmented over the last couple of decades, for the Scottish Government in an Independent Scotland to remove the tax allowances for decommissioning. Such a move would undoubtedlylead to the viability of many assets becoming more than questionable and operators liquidating their assets in the North Sea. In such instances, the liability for removal will rest with the government entirely. The liability for decommissioning will rest with the asset owners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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