strichener Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, BawWatchin said: England isn't larger than the EU m8. 3 minutes ago, strichener said: Again, Scotland at the point of negotiating with rUK will not be in the EU. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, strichener said: I think the rabbit hole is already filled with the heads of people that think Scotland can have a no-deal independence from rUK and not only cherry pick what that they want but at the same time dictate to the larger entity. It is far more likely that any indication that there would be no-deal would see the Unionist in Scotland demanding a second vote on the basis that "no-one voted for a this type of independence" which would put the SNP in an uncomfortable position given their current position of wanting a second referendum for the UK. Gobbledegook. 3 minutes ago, strichener said: Again, Scotland at the point of negotiating with rUK will not be in the EU. Again, nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Again, nonsense. OK, let's see your timescales on how Scottish Independence, rUK Negotiations and EU Membership will pan out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, tirso said: You've already said decommissioning has got nought to do with the UK. So it's nothing to do with a deal. Taking the Oil fields in your own waters is not cherry picking for goodness sake. I have no idea what point your are trying to make in the first two sentences. Off-loading the liabilities is most definitely cherry-picking. The oil will only be extracted if someone can make a profit from doing so, otherwise it will stay in the ground as it has with coal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, strichener said: Again, Scotland at the point of negotiating with rUK will not be in the EU. You know this how exactly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, strichener said: OK, let's see your timescales on how Scottish Independence, rUK Negotiations and EU Membership will pan out. Sure. Negotiations with the rUK and the EU will both start the day after the vote for independence. Both will conclude within 18 months or so to enable Scotland to be in the EU on Independence Day. As a member of the EU Scotland will benefit from the EU-rUK FTA from day one. If that hasn't happened Scotland will be involved in the negotiations to get the best possible benefit from the deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 1 minute ago, BawWatchin said: You know this how exactly? It is a inconceivable that the EU will admit Scotland before it is independent. It is also inconceivable that Scotland will not start negotiations with rUK prior to being independent. 2 + 2 = 4. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, strichener said: I have no idea what point your are trying to make in the first two sentences. Off-loading the liabilities is most definitely cherry-picking. The oil will only be extracted if someone can make a profit from doing so, otherwise it will stay in the ground as it has with coal. No-one other than you is suggesting offloading the liabilities. They will be picked up by the operators as is the norm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, Tibbermoresaint said: Sure. Negotiations with the rUK and the EU will both start the day after the vote for independence. Both will conclude within 18 months or so to enable Scotland to be in the EU on Independence Day. As a member of the EU Scotland will benefit from the EU-rUK FTA from day one. If that hasn't happened Scotland will be involved in the negotiations to get the best possible benefit from the deal. So why did you say that I was speaking nonsense when I posted " Scotland at the point of negotiating with rUK will not be in the EU. ". Your post literally makes the same point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Just now, strichener said: I have no idea what point your are trying to make in the first two sentences. Off-loading the liabilities is most definitely cherry-picking. The oil will only be extracted if someone can make a profit from doing so, otherwise it will stay in the ground as it has with coal. The decommission costs is not part of a deal with the UK. It's part of a deal with the oil company. Not quite sure what's so difficult about that. How that would bring down a UK govt deal they aren't party to, I have no idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: No-one other than you is suggesting offloading the liabilities. They will be picked up by the operators as is the norm. Sorry but it wasn't me that suggested this. 5 hours ago, GTG_03 said: Isn't it maritime law that who benefits has to pay the costs? That would make the UK government liable as Scotland has received no profits from the North Sea, it goes straight to the treasury. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, strichener said: Sorry but it wasn't me that suggested this. You're the one suggesting the liability would fall on the taxpayer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Would be interesting to know what Strichner thinks we'd end up with in the event of a yes vote. Easy to say what we won't have. Out of the EU for ten years? twenty? Or simply never let in? What leverage does rUK actually have over Scotland anyway? What leverage does it have over Ireland?> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I think the rabbit hole is already filled with the heads of people that think Scotland can have a no-deal independence from rUK and not only cherry pick what that they want but at the same time dictate to the larger entity. It is far more likely that any indication that there would be no-deal would see the Unionist in Scotland demanding a second vote on the basis that "no-one voted for a this type of independence" which would put the SNP in an uncomfortable position given their current position of wanting a second referendum for the UK.Our territorial waters won't be up for negotiation. You know that as well as I do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 strichener was pro-independence before because he thought it'd mean Scotland would leave the EU. He's absolutely desperate for Brexit in any form. So he's probably warmed to the idea of Scotland staying in the UK purely for that reason,. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 strichener was pro-independence before because he thought it'd mean Scotland would leave the EU. He's absolutely desperate for Brexit in any form. So he's probably warmed to the idea of Scotland staying in the UK purely for that reason,.He'll still vote yes. He just likes to talk shite whether he even agrees with his position or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 I don’t think the EU is going to be the problem here given they’ll see the expediency in getting Scotland in the door asap. It’s the fact that England have demonstrated they won’t negotiate in good faith or sensibly with anyone that’s the problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 2 hours ago, strichener said: It is a inconceivable that the EU will admit Scotland before it is independent. It is also inconceivable that Scotland will not start negotiations with rUK prior to being independent. 2 + 2 = 4. It is also inconceivable that rUK would treat Scotland as if it's never going to be a part of the EU. 1 + 2 = 3 1 + 27 = 28 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 The don't do it because it would a difficult divorce argument is really lazy.It's akin to a battered wife staying in the marriage because she's afraid of the costs of the divorce. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 Wow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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