John Lambies Doos Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Would be shocked if there isn't any mention of a second referendum but would also be shocked if there's a formal commitment. I expect Sturgeon to play it safe by saying that an SNP government would reserve the right to call a 2nd referendum if at any point during the term they believe there is significant demand for one. Sounds about right Mr B. Still reckon 2021/ 2022 will be the time period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Rational Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Dance Called America. Was it not protect and survive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Should Scotland be an independent country? (under 55s): Yes: 56% No: 44% (Survation, 8 -12 January 2016) http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Final-Scomnibus-I-Tables-DR-1c0d2h9-51.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Should Scotland be an independent country? (under 55s): Yes: 56% No: 44% (Survation, 8 -12 January 2016) http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Final-Scomnibus-I-Tables-DR-1c0d2h9-51.pdf Glorious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Should Scotland be an independent country? (under 55s): Yes: 56% No: 44% (Survation, 8 -12 January 2016) http://survation.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Final-Scomnibus-I-Tables-DR-1c0d2h9-51.pdf Tick tock. 8% who voted NO last time round would vote YES, only 3% the other way. And 1.3% can't remember if the voted in the Referendum! Christ I've got a bad memory but that's shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DensParkNumber1 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 1.3% not admitted they voted no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Tick tock. 8% who voted NO last time round would vote YES, only 3% the other way. And 1.3% can't remember if the voted in the Referendum! Christ I've got a bad memory but that's shocking. Meh of the 8% who voted NO last time, I guess there would be at least a quarter of them voting NO again. All guess work obviously but its easy enough to say they'd change their mind just now when there is no consequences. Of the small number of NO voters I know, a couple of them have said they regret their decision but I'd still expect them to be scared into voting NO again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Tick tock. 8% who voted NO last time round would vote YES, only 3% the other way. And 1.3% can't remember if the voted in the Referendum! Christ I've got a bad memory but that's shocking. I thought you all hated the union supporting daily record rag and that it printed non stop lies ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I thought you all hated the union supporting daily record rag and that it printed non stop lies ? Eh, it's a Survation poll. You commission polling companies to do the polling. That's the point. The Record could have withheld to the results, they can't change them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 It's unlikely support for independence is that high. If there was a referendum next year. The No side would still likely win 52-53% of the vote. After all, there could be a shy Tory voter syndrome in relation to these polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 It's unlikely support for independence is that high. If there was a referendum next year. The No side would still likely win 52-53% of the vote. After all, there could be a shy Tory voter syndrome in relation to these polls. It is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 I thought you all hated the union supporting daily record rag and that it printed non stop lies ? We do - that's why it's dying on its arse. However, this poll was prepared on behalf of the rag, not by it. It's probably slightly out of kilter, but not by all that much. I suspect we're actually closer to 51/49 either way at the moment, but momentum's only going the one way both in terms of attitudes and demographics. It's just a case of playing the long game until independence is consistently polling around 55%, which will likely happen over the next 5-10 years - maybe less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 We do - that's why it's dying on its arse. However, this poll was prepared on behalf of the rag, not by it. It's probably slightly out of kilter, but not by all that much. I suspect we're actually closer to 51/49 either way at the moment, but momentum's only going the one way both in terms of attitudes and demographics. It's just a case of playing the long game until independence is consistently polling around 55%, which will likely happen over the next 5-10 years - maybe less. 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotad Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 if SNP are interested in true Independence surely being independent from the EU would be the right Policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 if SNP are interested in true Independence surely being independent from the EU would be the right Policy? Only if you conflate independence with isolationism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotad Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Only if you conflate independence with isolationism. so your calling every country outside of the EU being in Isolation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 so your calling every country outside of the EU being in Isolation? Nope. I'm pointing out that being inside the EU is no barrier to being an independent sovereign state. I'm not sure why you think it is. (Unless you want to clarify what you mean by "true independence" - I can't think of any countries which are truly independent; all of them cooperate with others and rely on them for all kinds of things whilst being recognised as independent nation states.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotad Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Nope. I'm pointing out that being inside the EU is no barrier to being an independent sovereign state. I'm not sure why you think it is. (Unless you want to clarify what you mean by "true independence" - I can't think of any countries which are truly independent; all of them cooperate with others and rely on them for all kinds of things whilst being recognised as independent nation states.) apart from the fact they push laws without the consent of our democratically elected government if you think that is true independent then i feel sorry for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 apart from the fact they push laws without the consent of our democratically elected government if you think that is true independent then i feel sorry for you Oh boo hoo big bad EU and its dirty furrin laws. You'll notice I've said that no country is truly independent. If you fear the influence of supranational unions that's your misfortune. In an independent Scotland (out of the incorporating union which pushes laws against the will of our democratically elected government) you could push for EU withdrawal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wotad Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Oh boo hoo big bad EU and its dirty furrin laws. You'll notice I've said that no country is truly independent. If you fear the influence of supranational unions that's your misfortune. In an independent Scotland (out of the incorporating union which pushes laws against the will of our democratically elected government) you could push for EU withdrawal. the poor big bad Westminster... the evil of the world scotland is so suffering............. if scotland wanted true independence that is out of both Unions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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