Tommy Robinson

[Rugster]

1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

If you have evidence of this I hope you're going to grass. Even if it's just rumours.

I thought it was the beginning of a poem. 

[Melanius Mullarkey]

2 hours ago, The Golden God said:

Not sure if this has already been posted. They’re so insane bunch over there. 

 

1 hour ago, itzdrk said:

A hotel in Ibrox is the target.  

Maybe it’s the building this boy is standing outside.

[accies1874]

2 hours ago, Shotgun said:

Hillary Clinton called their US cousins "deplorables'. That was almost 8 years ago and it's STILL being used as a stick with which to beat liberals. I've been told many times, on here and elsewhere, (Johnathan Pie, I'm looking at you) that the reason for Trump's popularity is that the left used unkind words to describe the far right. We aren't listening to them, we should respect their opinions, and we should rise above the hateful invective they spew at us. Bullshit.

I dunno, you can see in that video with the baldy Belfast bozo how someone like Farage can convince them that the middle class lefty politicians and journalists don't speak for them as the liberal elite don't see what it's really like.

I'm not sure how to convince these people, but I think that their views will just be even more entrenched by the aforementioned middle class lefties shouting them down. 

Edited August 6 by accies1874

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, accies1874 said:

I dunno, you can see in that video with the baldy Belfast bozo how someone like Farage can convince them that the middle class lefty politicians and journalists don't speak for them as the liberal elite don't see what it's really like.

I'm not sure how to convince these people, but I think that their views will just be even more entrenched by the aforementioned middle class lefties shouting them down. 

"I hate those elite folk, but real normal people like multi-millionaire Dulwich College old boy Nigel Farage, and Harrow Old Boy and descendent of British acting royalty Laurence Fox really speak for us"

[Miguel Sanchez]

9 hours ago, Jives Miguel said:

The c**t in the England shirt already been caught and charged. Superb. Can't wait til every thick mouth breather from this video is behind bars. They will all be SHITTING themselves right now waiting on a knock at the door 

 

Teenager confesses plan to 'get rid of Europeans' after walking into police station with four knives - Hull Live (hulldailymail.co.uk)

19 years of age here. 25 in the England shirt. 

[eez-eh]

1 hour ago, accies1874 said:

I dunno, you can see in that video with the baldy Belfast bozo how someone like Farage can convince them that the middle class lefty politicians and journalists don't speak for them as the liberal elite don't see what it's really like.

I'm not sure how to convince these people, but I think that their views will just be even more entrenched by the aforementioned middle class lefties shouting them down. 

That guy wasn’t going to stop being racist if Nolan listened to or understood his “concerns”.

There is no way to convince someone who boldly states that, in the face of all the reason, he just doesn’t like ‘um. I’m glad Nolan told him he’s a racist thicko.

[Angus_Don]

41 minutes ago, MazzyStar said:

Elon is being a subhuman again. Worth bearing in mind that his father owned a slavery mine and his brother is a paedo. 

His trans kid having a say on Elon is an interesting read.  

 

[Shotgun]

2 hours ago, accies1874 said:

I dunno, you can see in that video with the baldy Belfast bozo how someone like Farage can convince them that the middle class lefty politicians and journalists don't speak for them as the liberal elite don't see what it's really like.

I'm not sure how to convince these people, but I think that their views will just be even more entrenched by the aforementioned middle class lefties shouting them down. 

I'm going to continue to disagree with you and this mentality.

England now has Fascists rioting on the streets and literally trying to burn people alive. Over here we have a politician running for president openly bragging that he'll imprison his enemies if he wins and foment a civil war if he doesn't. Far from being 'shouted down', the ultra-right has, over the last few years, been given a massive platform to air their repulsive opinions and this is where it has led us. We're long past the point of needing to listen to them politely. 

[Ocelot1877]

Seems like something is planned tomorrow in Glasgow. Will be in the George Square area according to social media 

Edited August 6 by Ocelot1877

[Leith Green]

7 minutes ago, Ocelot1877 said:

Seems like something is planned tomorrow in Glasgow. Will be in the George Square area according to social media 

I think people are getting confused - unless I have missed something the racists are planning a rally 7th Sept - and AUOB are moving their rally from Edinburgh same day as a counter rally.

[Freedom Farter]

7 hours ago, Shotgun said:

Hillary Clinton called their US cousins "deplorables'. That was almost 8 years ago and it's STILL being used as a stick with which to beat liberals. I've been told many times, on here and elsewhere, (Johnathan Pie, I'm looking at you) that the reason for Trump's popularity is that the left used unkind words to describe the far right. We aren't listening to them, we should respect their opinions, and we should rise above the hateful invective they spew at us. Bullshit.

I think that confuses two distinct issues. 

 

The point with Clinton is that Trump promised those folk manufacturing jobs (a false promise) whereas Clinton just called them deplorables.

Yanis Varoufakis on this theme:

"Fascists did not come to power in the mid-war period by promising violence, war or concentration camps. They came to power by addressing good people who, following a severe capitalist crisis, had been treated for too long like livestock that had lost its market value. Instead of treating them like “deplorables”, fascists looked at them in the eye and promised to restore their pride, offered their friendship, gave them a sense that they belonged to a larger ideal, allowed them to think of themselves as something more than sovereign consumers".

The issue here is that neoliberalism isn't an effective counter to fascism because its not for the working class, it offers them nothing. 

 

Which is a separate argument from the one made in these tweets:

(the context to that last tweet is those were all folk posting photos of themselves saying they supported the rioters).

Socialist stance:

[Freedom Farter]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj622z0w7n0o

Roma gypsies being attacked by men doing Nazi salutes. A proper 1940s throwback there.

[RiG]

20 hours ago, Venti said:

The wee p***k can be seen in the video in this article. Attacking a BMW.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj622z0w7n0o

Shocking video but I did chuckle at the England shirt wearing loser trying to rip the door off then smash the window in with his elbow only to hurt himself doing so and slink off rubbing his elbow.

Edited August 7 by RiG

[lau03143]

6 hours ago, Freedom Farter said:

"Fascists did not come to power in the mid-war period by promising violence, war or concentration camps. They came to power by addressing good people who, following a severe capitalist crisis, had been treated for too long like livestock that had lost its market value. Instead of treating them like “deplorables”, fascists looked at them in the eye and promised to restore their pride, offered their friendship, gave them a sense that they belonged to a larger ideal, allowed them to think of themselves as something more than sovereign consumers".

And I think that's why it isn't correct to constantly call everyone who riots as "far right". There is probably a good portion of "far lefts" and anarchists (see image below from Rotherham riot) as well. Racism and intolerance is not just restricted to the "far right".  Populist movement like Fascism gain followers as it brings in the disaffected from all areas, it offers then an outlet to their grievances and allows them to blame others. Same with these neo-Communist goons that seem to converge on the BLM and "Free Palestine" movements. It gives them the ultimate victim mentality, that the world is against them.

 

[Turkmenbashi]

7 minutes ago, lau03143 said:

And I think that's why it isn't correct to constantly call everyone who riots as "far right". There is probably a good portion of "far lefts" and anarchists (see image below from Rotherham riot) as well. Racism and intolerance is not just restricted to the "far right".  Populist movement like Fascism gain followers as it brings in the disaffected from all areas, it offers then an outlet to their grievances and allows them to blame others. Same with these neo-Communist goons that seem to converge on the BLM and "Free Palestine" movements. It gives them the ultimate victim mentality, that the world is against them.

 

Pretty clear that the only people involved are far right. And for BLM and free Palestine we're mostly peaceful unlike here.

[Laid Back Maverick]

"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled"

 

 

[accies1874]

10 hours ago, Mark Connolly said:

"I hate those elite folk, but real normal people like multi-millionaire Dulwich College old boy Nigel Farage, and Harrow Old Boy and descendent of British acting royalty Laurence Fox really speak for us"

That's the irony of it all. 

8 hours ago, eez-eh said:

That guy wasn’t going to stop being racist if Nolan listened to or understood his “concerns”.

There is no way to convince someone who boldly states that, in the face of all the reason, he just doesn’t like ‘um. I’m glad Nolan told him he’s a racist thicko.

 

8 hours ago, Shotgun said:

I'm going to continue to disagree with you and this mentality.

England now has Fascists rioting on the streets and literally trying to burn people alive. Over here we have a politician running for president openly bragging that he'll imprison his enemies if he wins and foment a civil war if he doesn't. Far from being 'shouted down', the ultra-right has, over the last few years, been given a massive platform to air their repulsive opinions and this is where it has led us. We're long past the point of needing to listen to them politely. 

I agree that there isn't much hope for a lot of them, but these views have to start somewhere and it's not always as hopeless as being passed down through generations. 

Grifters and loudmouths are always gonna exist, so I suppose what I'm trying to say is that when you've got those loudmouths telling you exactly what you want to hear, it's important to explain why those views are wrong as opposed to getting told you're stupid for thinking that way. I think a really good example was some of the responses to Wacky's post a few days ago (though I suppose the counter-argument is that they weren't too receptive to that kind of response).

[dundeefc1783]

15 hours ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

Well for a start you can do it with one change.

Secondly is it possible the journalist in question just saw loads of people with Glaswegian accents getting off a train and didn't check the train timetable?

I mean you seem to be calling a senior journalist (Mark Easton) at the BBC a liar based on not much.

I'm not on X or I'd ask him to clarify the statement. 

How do you get from Glasgow to Sunderland by train with only one change? 

[O'Kelly Isley III]

15 minutes ago, lau03143 said:

And I think that's why it isn't correct to constantly call everyone who riots as "far right". There is probably a good portion of "far lefts" and anarchists (see image below from Rotherham riot) as well. Racism and intolerance is not just restricted to the "far right".  Populist movement like Fascism gain followers as it brings in the disaffected from all areas, it offers then an outlet to their grievances and allows them to blame others. Same with these neo-Communist goons that seem to converge on the BLM and "Free Palestine" movements. It gives them the ultimate victim mentality, that the world is against them.

 

Care to provide some firm evidence of 'far left' and 'anarchist' participation in this violence ? 

But you are correct that not everyone taking part is 'far right' - I doubt very many of these people have a political bone in their bodies, what they do have though is a very deep well of anger that their situation is the fault of cultures and races other than their own.  Not only is it a completely false premise, it's a very powerful one for violent orchestration by malicious agents well capable of inciting suggestible people.

And when you have a sizeable number of people who have little respect for themselves, their fellow citizens and their communities then you have a grim basis for what we're seeing.

[Granny Danger]

The racist childminder is married to a Tory Councillor.  Hopefully a custodial sentence will follow.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-councillor-wife-far-right-hate-b2592271.html

ETA the variation of ‘some of my best friends are black’ by her husband is galling.

Edited August 7 by Granny Danger