Bishop Briggs Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Ludo*1 said: Stop being a 'seething obsessive' about it. You are still rattled about being exposed as an seething obsessive on the Thistle thread! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: You are still rattled about being exposed as an seething obsessive on the Thistle thread! Aye, that's it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: DfID is being merged with the FCO, not scrapped. It was alled the Overseas Development Agency and has been in and out of the Foreign Office like a yoyo. Heath and Thatcher put the ODA back under the FCO and Labour over-turned those decisions. This is just another re-organisation. When Scotland becomes independent, the British Government jobs up here ( including DfID) will move to England. Aye, just like the HMRC jobs and the shipbuilding that was strategically moved to Davenport. Behave or I'll take your pocket money just doesn't cut it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 14 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: DfID is being merged with the FCO, not scrapped. It was alled the Overseas Development Agency and has been in and out of the Foreign Office like a yoyo. Heath and Thatcher put the ODA back under the FCO and Labour over-turned those decisions. This is just another re-organisation. When Scotland becomes independent, the British Government jobs up here ( including DfID) will move to England. I'm actually surprised that this 'merger' hasn't attracted more comment. It's not a 're-organisation'. It's the first attack by Cummings on the British government institutions that he has always hated, and there will be plenty more to follow in the months to come. The government may be in the hands of the right-wingers, but the mechanisms behind government......the civil service, diplomatic agencies and much, much more, are resolutely non-political to a greater extent. Cummings has long held a desire to destroy the framework that supports government, and replace it with something that props up his own ideologies. Anyone who suggests that this is simple administrative shuffling is either a fool or a liar. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 The comments 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 The comments Indeed, but some quality piss-taking of Tory racists in there too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Always fun to flummox folk who say "they treat everyone the same" by asking for an example. Just for a laugh as they rack their brains to think of a time they spoke to a black person that didn't have some negative association attached to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Been dipping in and out of the BBC's General Election programmes on YouTube. Quite the little time capsules; it's amazing how much from the different eras that I'd forgotten. At Election 92 at the moment, which seems to have been the last at which the Monster Raving Loony Party stood in any great numbers. I remember Labour's polling lead slipping drastically towards election night, but had forgotten just how much of a surprise it was that the Tories managed a fairly comfortable majority in the end. Anyway, something that took me right back was that the black Tory candidate in Cheltenham, standing for the first time in what had been a safe seat, lost to the Lib Dems amid accusations that they'd been giving it plenty of, "don't vote for him, you don't want any outsiders coming into the area, know what I mean, mate". The consensus seemed to be that, well, it was always going to be difficult for you to win in such a white area, maybe try somewhere else next time, eh? Really felt like a different world, but I might be being naive there. I don't think it's quite so easy to press those buttons anymore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 30 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: Always fun to flummox folk who say "they treat everyone the same" by asking for an example. Just for a laugh as they rack their brains to think of a time they spoke to a black person that didn't have some negative association attached to it. I'd have difficulty thinking of an example of when I treated somebody the same as everybody else TBH. The fact that you remembered would mean you were thinking of that person differently, surely? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) On 16/06/2020 at 21:09, Bishop Briggs said: When Scotland becomes independent, the British Government jobs up here ( including DfID) will move to England. Hoorah! And we can have our own Overseas Development Agency and Foreign Office, and the jobs. Edited June 22, 2020 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 43 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: I'd have difficulty thinking of an example of when I treated somebody the same as everybody else TBH. The fact that you remembered would mean you were thinking of that person differently, surely? Exactly. Just watch their wee cogs burr roon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Exactly. Just watch their wee cogs burr roonI know you lived in London which it as diverse as it gets, but I think you have to give at least some heed to the fact that there are still plenty of places in Scotland where folk really dont have any interaction with black people. I hadnt laid eyes on a black person in real life until I was nearly 10. I hadn't properly interacted with a black person routinely in anything more than a passing capacity (I mean like me as a customer, them working in a restaurant or shop to think of a couple) until I worked with a Nigerian guy at the age of 27. At that point I had moved jobs to join a really diverse workforce with folk from literally all over the world, but if you take some of my pals/family who work in the building trade, I bet lots of them have never gone beyond a brief transactional type relationship with a black person. For me personally, I am now used to working with people from all over, different ways and cultures, English maybe not first language, but I think unconscious bias plays a part where someone is absolutely not used to those things, rather than straight up malice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: I know you lived in London which it as diverse as it gets, but I think you have to give at least some heed to the fact that there are still plenty of places in Scotland where folk really dont have any interaction with black people. I hadnt laid eyes on a black person in real life until I was nearly 10. I hadn't properly interacted with a black person routinely in anything more than a passing capacity (I mean like me as a customer, them working in a restaurant or shop to think of a couple) until I worked with a Nigerian guy at the age of 27. At that point I had moved jobs to join a really diverse workforce with folk from literally all over the world, but if you take some of my pals/family who work in the building trade, I bet lots of them have never gone beyond a brief transactional type relationship with a black person. For me personally, I am now used to working with people from all over, different ways and cultures, English maybe not first language, but I think unconscious bias plays a part where someone is absolutely not used to those things, rather than straight up malice. Junior football for this pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Hoorah! And we can have our own Overseas Development Agency and Foreign Office, and the jobs. Will the SNP commit to the equivalent of the UK's current aid budget of 0.7% of GDP? Is there a forecast of how much a Scottish Foreign Office, embassies and consulates will cost? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: Will the SNP commit to the equivalent of the UK's current aid budget of 0.7% of GDP? Is there a forecast of how much a Scottish Foreign Office, embassies and consulates will cost? Don't be silly, we haven't even decided on the assets and liabilities yet. I think we should at least take the Paris and Washington embassies, we can haggle over the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 42 minutes ago, Bishop Briggs said: Will the SNP commit to the equivalent of the UK's current aid budget of 0.7% of GDP? Is there a forecast of how much a Scottish Foreign Office, embassies and consulates will cost? As an EU citizen, I will be able to access consular services at any EU member's embassy if there is no specific Scottish embassy in that country. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: Will the SNP commit to the equivalent of the UK's current aid budget of 0.7% of GDP? Is there a forecast of how much a Scottish Foreign Office, embassies and consulates will cost? I’m sure the answers will be printed on the side of a bus soon. Then, going by recent history, no one will be able to stop you voting for independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Bishop Briggs said: Will the SNP commit to the equivalent of the UK's current aid budget of 0.7% of GDP? Is there a forecast of how much a Scottish Foreign Office, embassies and consulates will cost? There is a very strong possibility, motivated by the tory back benchers and the right wing establishment, that the present Overseas Aid Dept's budget will be slashed if not shut down. The tory press have run with stories of how we give millions to China and Pakistan etc. Scots having integrated in countries worlwide historically will have no hesitation in distributing aid. As for Embassies/ Consulates, of course we will have them, it's how you do business. Next time in Edinburgh seek out and take a look at the size of the Chinese Consol, you'll be surprised, we are after all a sovereign country within, presently, a ridiculous UK framework Edited June 23, 2020 by SandyCromarty 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Didn't North Korea have their embassy in a London bedsit for a while? You'd like to think we could afford to flat share with them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Bairnardo said: I hadnt laid eyes on a black person in real life until I was nearly 10. Christ, how old are you? I remember my mum saying she was amazed when she first heard a black person with a Scottish accent at that age, but she'd met black people before that, and she was brought up in the post-war mining villages in Ayrshire, which must have been hoaching with the diversity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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