forameus Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Fan ownership always seems the kind of thing that a club gets when there is no other option, when someone has run the club into the ground, and it's up to the fans to save it. We have a potential takeover by a billionaire consortium, and our fans can't even hide their abject Fury when we play a square pass. My supports with the big 'uns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 https://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport/17922179.david-beattie-says-ian-mccall-can-bring-soul-back-partick-thistle-opens-door-colin-weir-return/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcat1990 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 There's an absolute ton of whoppers in our support. Imagine the big meetings trying to get anything solved? Be a ten day twitter fallout between various numpties slinging mud. Pass. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Anything involving Paul Goodwin is not a good idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firhill_Basin Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I e-mailed them last week with some questions and I got ignored. I see someone asked them on twitter earlier about their contributions outside of Weir. Can't say I expect them to get an answer either. There was Goodwin a couple of weeks ago like a right lemon with his retro shirt on outside Firhill talking to STV that he was approachable via phone, e-mail, text, morse code whatever the f**k. Is he a genuine Thistle fan or just one of these talking heads who is always seen when theres chat about a fans group wanting to become involved in a club? I've never seen the guy in my puff and suddenly hes Mr Thistle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firhill_Basin Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 18 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Anything involving Paul Goodwin is not a good idea. I've just kinda slaughtered him in my previous post, but could you provide more info ta. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I don't think it went well for him at Stirling Albion, and his SFSA wheeze is one of the least trustworthy organisations in existence. Every statement they make is based on half-truths at best. For example, they claim to have something ridiculous like 50,000 members, which is purely based on the number of people who at one point signed up for their mailing list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJags Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 At least the feel good factor lasted about a week this time. Doolan’s testimonial, Caldwell’s sacking and McCall’s appointment brought about a sense of unity to the club and fanbase (even in spite of the events on the park on Saturday), something which has been absent for the best part of two and a half years. A day after McCall’s appointment, and we’re back to a clusterfuck again with statements from Trusts and disruption behind the scenes again.The “fan owned” model would not work at Thistle for the reasons mentioned previously. With the Weir involvement, it’s pretty evident that Low is looking to snake her way back in, which is undoubtedly a horrific move any way you look at it. Colin Weir isn’t the diehard Thistle fan that he seems to desperately make himself out to be. Has literally anyone known him to have attended Firhill at any point prior to his investment?The lack of actual detail from NCC and their intentions has been a pain in the arse but Beattie actually gave more information about it yesterday than he has since he re-joined the club. He said it could happen within the next three to four weeks, and having no knowledge of the ins and outs of football club takeovers, I would assume that once things are closer to being finalised, more information will be released. Either way, the AGM on Thursday should be some buzz. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firhill_Basin Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, craigkillie said: I don't think it went well for him at Stirling Albion, and his SFSA wheeze is one of the least trustworthy organisations in existence. Every statement they make is based on half-truths at best. For example, they claim to have something ridiculous like 50,000 members, which is purely based on the number of people who at one point signed up for their mailing list. Cheers. He seems a bit of a strange fellow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuctifano Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I can't actually see Low being back in a position of power if the TFE thing goes ahead, I think even she knows she's at best divisive and at worst very unpopular. My main issue with the fan owned model is that I can't see how any required funding after the initial stage is generated, are we going to have extra pledges per month of top of season tickets / sponsorship etc? Home crowds of 2000-2500, maybe up to 3000 if we got back up (somehow), doesn't seem to work and I can't see how we wouldn't be reliant on Weir to plug financial holes frequently. Still, at least they have at this stage a plan - however fanciful-to get us back into the top half of the top division, which is more than we know about the NCC group. The statement from the PTFC Trust that Beattie said the board haven't done any due diligence is worrying, although it's probably better than the Jags Trust version of DD which appeared to be googling the plot of the film "Moneyball". I have my concerns about both, and not helped by a lot of people on twitter I think are wallopers being on the side of NCC, and a lot of people I think are wallopers being on the side of TFE. In short, we're probably fucked either way and most of our fans are wallopers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Wonder who the Firhill three were?. I will assume Bannigan, O’Ware and perhaps Sneddon who was promised a shot at being No1 this season or Cardle who always seemed to get more abuse from Caldwell than any other player https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4759677/gary-caldwell-partick-thistle-celtic-meeting-sacked/ Edited September 25, 2019 by Sting777 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Sting777 said: Wonder who the Firhill three were?. I will assume Bannigan, O’Ware and perhaps Sneddon who was promised a shot at being No1 this season or Cardle who always seemed to get more abuse from Caldwell than any other player https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4759677/gary-caldwell-partick-thistle-celtic-meeting-sacked/ What a fucking travesty of an article. That bit about emailing Lawwell who arranged tickets is pathetic. Is it really that difficult just to pay yourself into the game if you really wanted to go? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunglebonce Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 hours ago, craigkillie said: I don't think it went well for him at Stirling Albion, and his SFSA wheeze is one of the least trustworthy organisations in existence. Every statement they make is based on half-truths at best. For example, they claim to have something ridiculous like 50,000 members, which is purely based on the number of people who at one point signed up for their mailing list. Or were unilaterally added to his list by him, in the case of the Tell Him He’s Pele e-mail account. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorOnopko Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Sting777 said: Wonder who the Firhill three were?. I will assume Bannigan, O’Ware and perhaps Sneddon who was promised a shot at being No1 this season or Cardle who always seemed to get more abuse from Caldwell than any other player https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4759677/gary-caldwell-partick-thistle-celtic-meeting-sacked/ I was all set to allow this predictable, whining, self-justificatory tosh from an utter rag to wind me up, but the following two details made it worthwhile: 1) He complains that he was fired suddenly after no warning, having done a solid job for the club this season ("sure, some of those wins were against lower league teams" - hahaha) and that this was disrespectful. Hmmm, remind you of anyone else, who did a lot more than you for the club, Gary? 2) He appears to have been given his jotters in a travel tavern in Penrith. Still, I'm sure he'll soon be bouncing back. Edited September 25, 2019 by VictorOnopko 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Firhill_Basin said: I've just kinda slaughtered him in my previous post, but could you provide more info ta. Most famously he wanted to rename Stirling Albion after a sponsorship deal with a certain insurance company (which the SPFL would never have allowed and he clearly only did it for the media attention as he seems to think that media coverage = £££££), he attempted to rename the stadium after a sponsorship deal despite the club not actually owning the stadium and as far as I understand the membership got so pissed off with him and his running of the club that they ousted him after a season. All waffle no substance. Edited September 25, 2019 by Jason King 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamJags Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Wonder who the Firhill three were?. I will assume Bannigan, O’Ware and perhaps Sneddon who was promised a shot at being No1 this season or Cardle who always seemed to get more abuse from Caldwell than any other player https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/4759677/gary-caldwell-partick-thistle-celtic-meeting-sacked/Deserves to be out of work for life for calling his wean “Jayden” imho. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francesc Fabregas Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, bunglebonce said: Or were unilaterally added to his list by him, in the case of the Tell Him He’s Pele e-mail account. I've never signed up to the SFSA newsletter but I get it sent to my inbox. Am I one of their 70,000 members? Is Paul Goodwin GDPR compliant? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzza81 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just noticed (amazed he’s allowed anywhere near anything like this again) that charlatan Paul Goodwin is involved so came to have a look at the comments relating to him. Glad to see many have acknowledged him for what he appears to be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mediocre Pundit Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Fan ownership is a great idea, and I would contribute a monthly amount to be a part of it as long as there was transparency of plans / performance and democracy in key decisions, but the issue is with who runs the club? Our fans can’t even run a supporters trust (or two). We need a small but professional team to ensure we’re run sustainably (sort of like the current BoD...) and I have no idea where that would come from under a fan owned model. Is there even any evidence of a fan owned model actually working that we could learn from / copy? Motherwell?Also, anyone saying that we have a plan to get back to top 6 is mental - we have no right to be top 6, and with a sustainable fan owned model it would be even harder. And Paul Goodwin has always come across as a diddy. Red flags all over the place... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, Mediocre Pundit said: Fan ownership is a great idea, and I would contribute a monthly amount to be a part of it as long as there was transparency of plans / performance and democracy in key decisions, but the issue is with who runs the club? Our fans can’t even run a supporters trust (or two). We need a small but professional team to ensure we’re run sustainably (sort of like the current BoD...) and I have no idea where that would come from under a fan owned model. Is there even any evidence of a fan owned model actually working that we could learn from / copy? Motherwell? Also, anyone saying that we have a plan to get back to top 6 is mental - we have no right to be top 6, and with a sustainable fan owned model it would be even harder. And Paul Goodwin has always come across as a diddy. Red flags all over the place... The problem when Dundee did it is for all the talk about subscription models etc and the fans saving the club (which is true that individual fans were paying significant sums of money out of their own pocket), the whole thing hinged on a few anonymous benefactors to plug gaps as their play money just far exceeded what the support as a whole could spare collectively. It's very easy to say 'well just spend what you have' but that overdraft facility is essential, we were in the situation where we'd been promoted due to the Rangers debacle yet had to shop around second tier free agents because we had to wait a few weeks for the TV money to arrive (by which time, good top flight targets like Steven MacLean who had been training with us had to move on). It's very expensive to run a football club and you're relying on people's generosity a lot and then hoping that the people they are trusting to run the place are actually competent in fan engagement and on the football side. The people at Motherwell do seem genuinely very competent and seem to have a perfect balance between practical business decisions but keeping fans on side. Burrows getting the CEO gig was an internal appointment and he'd been there for years and had a very good relationship with fans. Before that, Dempster was regarded as good at her job to the level she was poached away. If the Weir money was being staked against someone who didn't sound like a complete tit, it'd look from the outside like a really good opportunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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