jagsfan57 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 No. Even then you're still asking Championship clubs to lower the prize pot. So not only are you asking some clubs to vote themselves out of the benefits of the new deal for the entirety of the deal, you're also asking them to accept overall prize money which would still be lower under the new deal than it was previously. Make no mistake, despite the rhetoric, Low is asking something very big of other clubs.Rather than just accepting the current distribution ratio, how about trying to get that changed ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 1 hour ago, JagsCG said: Not even the worst decision to go against us this season, actually. That would be not punting Caldwell at the end of last season 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 18 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Rather than just accepting the current distribution ratio, how about trying to get that changed ? Right, so not only is it necessary to find a revised financial distribution model which can get support of 11 of the 12 Premiership clubs with increased distribution to 13th & 14th, but we're now going to decrease their proportion of prize money further to increase it in the Championship, when it only takes two of those Premiership clubs voting against to block a change. That is not going to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Rather than just accepting the current distribution ratio, how about trying to get that changed ? Or three whinging football clubs out of 42 can just accept the overwhelming majority verdict of their peers and get doon to where they belong for being utter dogshite. Problem solved. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Rather than just accepting the current distribution ratio, how about trying to get that changed ? Ideally, that would be great. The gap between the Premiership and Championship in terms of prize money is already too big. Premiership clubs get more than 82%, dropping to just over 12% in the Championship. And it's not only that, it's also that the top two in the Championship currently receive 4.15% of that 12.05 % in the Championship. A top 14 would hold 86.4% of the prize money pot - how much of that do you think they would share downwards? I said a couple of months ago that there was a number of necessary factors for Championship clubs to be able to vote for reconstruction (involving a 14 team Premiership). One of those would be that the Championship would, at the very least, need to be given the same overall percentage of prize money. The main issue here is that the Premiership clubs would never vote for this (another issue is that those like Ann Budge seem to be completely blind to such issues). In short, Championship clubs have no real leverage to change this. Edited June 14, 2020 by SpoonTon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 I actually thought initially he was talking about ‘captain’ figuratively - as in, Ian McCall, who was choking to leave Ayr for a bigger, iconic club. Ayr haven’t played in the Scottish top flight since the 70s and are petrified at the prospect of ever being promoted to it and having to deal with being there. Helpfully for them their ‘Golden Generation’ is already on the wane.I guarantee this sounded better in your head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Right, so not only is it necessary to find a revised financial distribution model which can get support of 11 of the 12 Premiership clubs with increased distribution to 13th & 14th, but we're now going to decrease their proportion of prize money further to increase it in the Championship, when it only takes two of those Premiership clubs voting against to block a change. That is not going to happen.How on earth did clubs allow this situation to arise - what tidbit did the SPL offer when the two associations merged ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Ideally, that would be great. The gap between the Premiership and Championship in terms of prize money is already too big. Premiership clubs get more than 82%, dropping to just over 12% in the Championship. And it's not only that, it's also that the top two in the Championship currently receive 4.15% of that 12.05 % in the Championship. A top 14 would hold 86.4% of the prize money pot - how much of that do you think they would share downwards? I said a couple of months ago that there was a number of necessary factors for Championship clubs to be able to vote for reconstruction (involving a 14 team Premiership). One of those would be that the Championship would, at the very least, need to be given the same overall percentage of prize money. The main issue here is that the Premiership clubs would never vote for this (another issue is that those like Ann Budge seem to be completely blind to such issues). In short, Championship clubs have no real leverage to change this. Don’t pretend that the championship clubs have had no hand in arriving at the situation where we are. It was the championship teams that voted to end the season early. The SPFL board also asked what it would take to restructure - but again the championship clubs threw away that opportunity !They are just rolling over and letting the Premiership tickle their tummy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Why would any club vote for a reconstruction that would give them less money, especially during the financially uncertain times ahead due to covid? It doesn't make sense. The only reason reconstruction is anywhere near the agenda is because its Hearts that are getting relegated and not a Hamilton or a St Mirren. Have we been shafted by the situation? Yes, undoubtedly. But if there was a solution that wouldn't adversely impact any of the 42 teams financially or sportingly (44 if you include Kelty and Brora), then Scottish football would be doing that. There isn't. At some point at least some clubs are going to have to take the hit for this. As shite as it sounds for us, those clubs being the teams that finished bottom of the leagues is about as fair as you can get. We aren't in this position because of some backhanded politics by other SPFL club chairmen, we are in this position because we've been fucking dug meat on the park for the best part of 3 and a half years now. We have no one to blame but ourselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, jagsfan57 said: Don’t pretend that the championship clubs have had no hand in arriving at the situation where we are. It was the championship teams that voted to end the season early. The SPFL board also asked what it would take to restructure - but again the championship clubs threw away that opportunity ! They are just rolling over and letting the Premiership tickle their tummy. What would your alternative have been? The very same impasses would still have existed. There was no way to finish the season, it was right that we voted to end the season when we did. There were always going to be losers, no matter how it was ended - again, where is the workable alternative? Don't forget that it was the Premiership clubs who initially shot down the idea of reconstruction. Then Budge threw out an embarrassing plan which ignored all the concerns of Championship clubs. There is no real interest in listening to the concerns of Championship even, even Budge, who really should be, has no interest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 13/06/2020 at 12:33, D'Jaffo said: Neither are Partick tbf. As this thread has yet again been swarmed by Ayr and Morton fans, this seems inaccurate. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R&Y99 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 There’s no way this is passing unfortunately I think At least we know when the kits are being released 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JudgeMudge Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Possibly it’s back on the agenda so that the Board can argue that they’re tried to promote alternatives if Hearts do pursue legal action. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsCG Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 34 minutes ago, JudgeMudge said: Possibly it’s back on the agenda so that the Board can argue that they’re tried to promote alternatives if Hearts do pursue legal action. Sadly, think you are absolutely correct. Simply the SPFL covering their own backs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bad chad Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 4 hours ago, virginton said: Or three whinging football clubs out of 42 can just accept the overwhelming majority verdict of their peers and get doon to where they belong for being utter dogshite. Problem solved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagsCG Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 5 hours ago, virginton said: Or three whinging football clubs out of 42 can just accept the overwhelming majority verdict of their peers and get doon to where they belong for being utter dogshite. Problem solved. Is that would you would do is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 Why would any club vote for a reconstruction that would give them less money, especially during the financially uncertain times ahead due to covid? It doesn't make sense. The only reason reconstruction is anywhere near the agenda is because its Hearts that are getting relegated and not a Hamilton or a St Mirren. Have we been shafted by the situation? Yes, undoubtedly. But if there was a solution that wouldn't adversely impact any of the 42 teams financially or sportingly (44 if you include Kelty and Brora), then Scottish football would be doing that. There isn't. At some point at least some clubs are going to have to take the hit for this. As shite as it sounds for us, those clubs being the teams that finished bottom of the leagues is about as fair as you can get. We aren't in this position because of some backhanded politics by other SPFL club chairmen, we are in this position because we've been fucking dug meat on the park for the best part of 3 and a half years now. We have no one to blame but ourselves.No - we are in this position because the season wasn’t finished and we hadn’t even played the same number of games as other teams around us.There is a 20 % increase in tv money from this season, so there is no reason that the other clubs would get less money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Cicero Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Jacky1990 said: Why would any club vote for a reconstruction that would give them less money, especially during the financially uncertain times ahead due to covid? It doesn't make sense. The only reason reconstruction is anywhere near the agenda is because its Hearts that are getting relegated and not a Hamilton or a St Mirren. Have we been shafted by the situation? Yes, undoubtedly. But if there was a solution that wouldn't adversely impact any of the 42 teams financially or sportingly (44 if you include Kelty and Brora), then Scottish football would be doing that. There isn't. At some point at least some clubs are going to have to take the hit for this. As shite as it sounds for us, those clubs being the teams that finished bottom of the leagues is about as fair as you can get. We aren't in this position because of some backhanded politics by other SPFL club chairmen, we are in this position because we've been fucking dug meat on the park for the best part of 3 and a half years now. We have no one to blame but ourselves. Most sensible fucking post a Jags fan has ever made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagsfan57 Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 What would your alternative have been? The very same impasses would still have existed. There was no way to finish the season, it was right that we voted to end the season when we did. There were always going to be losers, no matter how it was ended - again, where is the workable alternative? Don't forget that it was the Premiership clubs who initially shot down the idea of reconstruction. Then Budge threw out an embarrassing plan which ignored all the concerns of Championship clubs. There is no real interest in listening to the concerns of Championship even, even Budge, who really should be, has no interest. I don’t agree that the league couldn’t be finished. It might not have been finished in the normal timescale. I know obstacles like the tv deal with sky, player contracts, even early payment of prize money will be mentioned. These could all have been overcome. It was lack of vision by the leadership or just plain laziness.Tell me which SPFL rule allows each league to decide their own start date and number of games to play but needs every division to vote on ending a season.The championship are now going to be playing 2 curtailed seasons. Not just that but 2 seasons where the fixtures are uneven. It’s nuts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted June 14, 2020 Share Posted June 14, 2020 On 13/06/2020 at 12:33, D'Jaffo said: Neither are Partick tbf. If we aren’t box office I’m sure you’ll be fucking off out of the third tier forum tout suite? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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