capt_oats Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) Kettlewell takes over from Kerr with #YoungMotherwell. His County u20s won the league and won the Championship when he was their actual first team manager. On the face of it that seems like a...good appointment? Edited October 3, 2022 by capt_oats 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casagolda Posted October 3, 2022 Author Share Posted October 3, 2022 16 hours ago, joewarkfanclub said: Football fans in general are all sugar or shite. I dont know whether ours are any better or worse, but some of the reactions to our recent results are somewhat depressing. Has there really been much of a negative reaction? Admittedly I generally try to avoid Motherwell fans on social media, especially after a defeat but from what I have seen I haven’t really thought that to be the case. The team were even applauded off after a 0-3 defeat at Fir Park the other week and that doesn’t happen very often. I’d say almost everyone I’ve seen or spoken to is firmly behind Hammell and haven’t seen many if any dissenting voices so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillips455 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 As long as we get some good results in our next 2 games, I don't think there will be too much to worry about. Target practise is a must however. Looking at the table, it is currently split into 3 distinct groups. There is the Bottom 3 of Dundee United, Kilmarock and Ross County who have 2, 4 and 5 points respectively. Then we have ourselves in 9th on 10 points all the way up to St Mirren in 3rd on 15. Yhe same points total seperates us from 10th and 3rd. Finally is the two old firm teams in their own league title battle. realistically, its a season of repairs so anything that isn't a relegation battle and possible good cup run(s) would be a decent success in my own eyes. Let's hope we don't drop points to teams who are struggling around us again..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Casagolda said: Has there really been much of a negative reaction? Admittedly I generally try to avoid Motherwell fans on social media, especially after a defeat but from what I have seen I haven’t really thought that to be the case. The team were even applauded off after a 0-3 defeat at Fir Park the other week and that doesn’t happen very often. I’d say almost everyone I’ve seen or spoken to is firmly behind Hammell and haven’t seen many if any dissenting voices so far. I think within the wider support that is definitely the case. But you only need to read some of the reponses in the Celtic game thread and on Steelmen Online to get my point. As for Twitter, deary me! I guess its maybe just a trait of human nature that people are more likely to post something when they are unhappy about something rather than when its going well. I just get frustrated that there is often no balance or understanding shown. Im not for a minute saying everything in the garden is rosy, or we couldnt very quickly find ourselves in a tricky situation if results dont improve. But give me where we are right now over "murderball" every time. Edited October 3, 2022 by joewarkfanclub 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 21 minutes ago, Phillips455 said: As long as we get some good results in our next 2 games, I don't think there will be too much to worry about. Target practise is a must however. Looking at the table, it is currently split into 3 distinct groups. There is the Bottom 3 of Dundee United, Kilmarock and Ross County who have 2, 4 and 5 points respectively. Then we have ourselves in 9th on 10 points all the way up to St Mirren in 3rd on 15. Yhe same points total seperates us from 10th and 3rd. Finally is the two old firm teams in their own league title battle. realistically, its a season of repairs so anything that isn't a relegation battle and possible good cup run(s) would be a decent success in my own eyes. Let's hope we don't drop points to teams who are struggling around us again..... For me this is it. Imagine we had got a draw v Hearts, which is the very least we deserved on the quality of our play and chances created. We would then be be above St Johnstone and level with Hearts and within striking distance of Hibs come the weekend. Had KVV converted our penalty v Dundee Utd it would be another deserved 3 points and we are sitting quite nicely thank you. Its all fine margins. I think folk are panicking as we are in the middle of a tough run of games and should we lose them all, things would start to look a little bit tricky. However, my experience of following Motherwell for nearly 50 years is that we nearly never ever win the games we expect to and always seem to pull a result out of nowhere when you least expect it. So we didnt get what we wanted from our last 2 home games. But Im willing to bet we get more than 0 points during this current difficult run of fixtures. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 1 hour ago, capt_oats said: Noticed that @PauloPerth had made a similar post in the St Johnstone thread re: their start. FWIW: here's how our current start compares with the previous 10. Not the best, not the worst. 22/23 - P 8 W 3 D 1 L 4 F 8 A 11 Pts 10 21/22 - P 8 W 4 D 2 L 2 F 11 A 9 Pts 14 20/21 - P 8 W 2 D 2 L 4 F 6 A 8 Pts 8 19/20 - P 8 W 5 D 1 L 2 F 15 A 10 Pts 16 18/19 - P 8 W 1 D 1 L 6 F 8 A 14 Pts 5 17/18 - P 8 W 4 D 1 L 3 F 13 A 10 Pts 13 16/17 - P 8 W 2 D 3 L 3 F 11 A 12 Pts 9 15/16 - P 8 W 2 D 1 L 5 F 5 A 10 Pts 7 14/15 - P 8 W 2 D 1 L 5 F 4 A 12 Pts 7 13/14 - P 8 W 5 D 1 L 2 F 11 A 9 Pts 16 12/13 - P 8 W 3 D 4 L 1 F 13 A 10 Pts 13 You’re much better starters than us going by that. I generally think of Motherwell as either being really good in the first half of a season, then failing away after Christmas, or the complete opposite where you look doomed up to Christmas then find great form in the second half of the season. We’re at killie on Wednesday and you’ve got county on Tuesday; a win for both of us in midweek gives a very comforting gap above the bottom three. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I think within the wider support that is definitely the case. But you only need to read some of the reponses in the Celtic game thread and on Steelmen Online to get my point. As for Twitter, deary me! I guess its maybe just a trait of human nature that people are more likely to post something when they are unhappy about something rather than when its going well. I just get frustrated that there is often no balance or understanding shown. Im not for a minute saying everything in the garden is rosy, or we couldnt very quickly find ourselves in a tricky situation if results dont improve. But give me where we are right now over "murderball" every time.It's been a long time since I last looked at Steelmen Online but from what I recall it's full of the absolute worst of our moaning arsehole fans. We could be winning the treble and they would still find something to moan about on there.I certainly wouldn't be referencing it in any meaningful way to highlight the feelings amongst our support which, IMO, are still largely positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 I quite like Kettlewell on Sportsound and the likes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Gianfranco said: I quite like Kettlewell on Sportsound and the likes. Yeah. I'd be weirdly quite disappointed if he was aff that now, haha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, thisGRAEME said: Yeah. I'd be weirdly quite disappointed if he was aff that now, haha. Fear not. Quote "He left the club in December 2020 and had been heavily involved in the media, something he will continue to do whilst leading Motherwell’s young guns." Link Edited October 3, 2022 by capt_oats 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosser2014 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Ron Aldo said: It's been a long time since I last looked at Steelmen Online but from what I recall it's full of the absolute worst of our moaning arsehole fans. We could be winning the treble and they would still find something to moan about on there. I certainly wouldn't be referencing it in any meaningful way to highlight the feelings amongst our support which, IMO, are still largely positive. I wouldn't get too introspective and worked up about others in our support. They're quite entitled to their views, whatever they may be. More pressing matters to focus on in my view. Every forum, including this very one has its fair share of moaners and trolls. Thats the t'internet fur ye. Each to their own. I don't detect much negativity at the moment, especially about Steven Hammell, but he's much loved as a former player and has quite a bit of credit in the bank, even in these times of turmoil and turbulence. However, if he doesn't start picking up points soon and we head towards the bottom then the honeymoon period will be over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I know Kettlewell won't be picking the team or anything but having a guy around the club that has actual managerial experience can't be a bad thing, given the relative rawness of the other coaching staff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezz Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Aye I was thinking the same thing, getting someone of Kettlewell's experience and standing (relatively to Scottish football) in to lead the academy feels like a good appointment. The fact he has experience in both youth and first team management should help out Hammell and Kerr, and fit into the overall 'strategy' we've heard a fair bit about since SH took over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dezz said: Aye I was thinking the same thing, getting someone of Kettlewell's experience and standing (relatively to Scottish football) in to lead the academy feels like a good appointment. The fact he has experience in both youth and first team management should help out Hammell and Kerr, and fit into the overall 'strategy' we've heard a fair bit about since SH took over. I was genuinely quite surprised to learn that Kettlewell's younger than Hammell but aye, it's an interesting pivot given the coaches we've had in various iterations of the role recently have been Johansson, Craigan, Ross and Kerr (albeit the Reserves league was mothballed when he was in position). Bringing in a guy who won the u20s league with County and managed at Premiership level with their first team is definitely a change in terms of experience. Also seems notable that, like N.Alexander, he's someone who has no prior connection with the club (AFAIK) - between Lasley, Clarkson, Craigan, McManus, Hammell, Kerr, McFadden and even Mo Ross it's not like we've been shy in getting former players in for coaching roles in the past. Curious to see who gets the Academy director job now as, like I say, Kettlewell isn't a name I'd have even thought of for the LDC. Edited October 4, 2022 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 (edited) I don’t know why anyone thinks he gonna be in post for any significant amount of time. If it’s anything other than a 6-12 month gig until he gets a role with more responsibilities elsewhere I’d be surprised. Tam Cowan runs our temp agency after all. He is well positioned to be a caretaker however …. sincerely hope he's not required. Edited October 4, 2022 by Kapowzer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 23 hours ago, Ron Aldo said: It's been a long time since I last looked at Steelmen Online but from what I recall it's full of the absolute worst of our moaning arsehole fans. We could be winning the treble and they would still find something to moan about on there. I certainly wouldn't be referencing it in any meaningful way to highlight the feelings amongst our support which, IMO, are still largely positive. Having read back this and the match thread, you are right. My feel for the repsonse to the Celtic result is definitely being negatively influenced by sources elsewhere. Think I need to hang out here more to retain a more balanced perspective! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewarkfanclub Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Kettlewell seems like a good appointment. Surprised its the lead coach job he has got. Makes you wonder who is going to get the Academy Director role....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanos Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 Possibly this role suits Kettlewell so that he can continue with his media work. Helps keep his hand in so to speak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'WellDel Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 So, according to Div's Twitter stats KVV tops the table for most shots taken in the league (28), yet he doesn't even make the top ten of most shots on target. (Lowest on that particular table being 7). Suppose it bears out the fact that we're obviously creating a helluva lot more but by f**k they're needing to get the shooting practice in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted October 4, 2022 Share Posted October 4, 2022 I don't foresee Kettlewell looking to move on any time soon, believe he wants to be settled with his youngish family after the upheaval of relocating from Dingwall back to the Glasgow area and has learned the hard way that in management that's not always possible. I know he is keen to keep the media appearances going and was getting attention from other places for similar jobs to ours that were looking for him to curtail these so I think it's a pretty good match and he will be there as long as he wants IMO so long as the club are seeing the fruits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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