eliphas Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, DeadStar said: FWIW I might be a bit tongue in cheek calling Aitchison a football terrorist, but I still think don't think he's an upgrade on Shields in any way. Agree with this. In the whole striker dept it should really be, at most, in an ideal world: One of Obika/Mandron One of Efford/Shields/Aitchison Two of Big Kev 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoF Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Have we ever had the pleasure of relegating a team? I can’t recall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, CoF said: Have we ever had the pleasure of relegating a team? I can’t recall. Falkirk in a nerve shredder. Dougie to the rescue as ever. ETA - we actually relegated 2 teams that day by winning - Airdrie went down as a lovely bonus Edited May 23, 2023 by Swello 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Kirk Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, DeadStar said: FWIW I might be a bit tongue in cheek calling Aitchison a football terrorist, but I still think don't think he's an upgrade on Shields in any way. I think he has looked decent in what little game time he has. He shows for the ball , can turn a defender and has a bit of guile. I wouldn’t mind seeing him start up top with Kev tomorrow night to see what he can do . However I I am certain he is better than Shields who was utterly anonymous over two legs against Partick Thistle’s 78 year old centre backs in the play offs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) When KVV leaves we keep no one. They are all dugshite I don't think Aitchison is a striker tbh. I think he's better in behind but Spittal has that role. Mandron is decent fodder for KVV but he's prbably the worst fitba player we've had. He moves like one of those wacky inflatable waving men things. Edited May 23, 2023 by Busta Nut 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 FWIW Don't think he'll chip in with a lot of goals, but he might help create them. WyScout positions are weird (AMF can also be a winger, its just stupid and annoying) so I dunno if its right that Forest Green got more out him central in a "10" role as it would suggest, whereas he struggled more being punted "all across the front 3" at Barnsley. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: FWIW Don't think he'll chip in with a lot of goals, but he might help create them. WyScout positions are weird (AMF can also be a winger, its just stupid and annoying) so I dunno if its right that Forest Green got more out him central in a "10" role as it would suggest, whereas he struggled more being punted "all across the front 3" at Barnsley. Looks to me like he just can't cut it at a higher level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Looks to me like he just can't cut it at a higher level. TBF its not a bad chart at Barnsley, it just looks a bit shit as he was exceptional at things with Forest Green. Orange is just slightly below a 5yr average for that division, red is the only thing you really right off as something they just don't do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Busta Nut said: Mandron is decent fodder for KVV but he's prbably the worst fitba player we've had. He moves like one of those wack inflatable waving men things. I think Mandron gets away with turning his man etc because nobody, including himself, has a clue what any of his limbs are about to do. It's good fun if nothing else. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kapowzer Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Isn't that guy who produces the annual PDF of potential targets for us and fancy graphics and tables due a surface? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busta Nut Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Depends if he bought last years FM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe_mfc Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 3 hours ago, DeadStar said: FWIW I might be a bit tongue in cheek calling Aitchison a football terrorist, but I still think don't think he's an upgrade on Shields in any way. I can't understand why anyone would have much beef with him... He's looked fine to me when he's come on for brief stints. For starters, he seems to be able to run with the ball at his feet, which Shields couldn't do. I think Shields got a lot of heat before he went out on loan because he was starting most games and we were doing badly. I find it hard to get worked up about a guy only getting the odd 10 mins cause Van Veen has been sensational. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) I may be wrong but I am sure Shields played a run of around 25+ games without scoring. Maybe not all as starter. But either way you cook it that is an awful statistic. Hence why most inc myself hope he finds an alternative to coming back to Motherwell. But is that likely ? Efford was coming onto a game and then of course got injured. And so we don’t really have much to go on and any long term injury worries me that it may be followed by another and so on. Mandron is getting quite a bit of stick on here. Not sure it is entirely justified. He is slow as a week in jail but holds the ball up well, is a handful and can actually score unlike Shields. That said not sure I would be upset were he to move on. Obika again came in and made and instant impact before yup…getting injured. I like Obika. But his injury record is not good and unlikely to get better unfortunately. Aitchison has not had much of a chance to shine and tends to come on late into games so hard to make an impact. Hard to say whether he would be worth keeping and that is the problem I guess. I suspect Ketts will look to keep a couple of the above mentioned. Efford if we believe his injury was a freak and unlikely to happen again and maybe one of Mandron or Obika. Shields clearly if there are no takers. Funny how we are debating about which of the 6 forward players currently on our books we will retain / release. Meanwhile Dundee United fans would like to be in a position to talk about having more than 1 striker at all . Edited May 23, 2023 by welldaft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropy Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 If we had to stick with what we had, who could come closest to replacing KVV? Would it be Aitchison working off one of the big guys? Or is it if Kevin goes we rip it up and start again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, ropy said: If we had to stick with what we had, who could come closest to replacing KVV? Would it be Aitchison working off one of the big guys? Or is it if Kevin goes we rip it up and start again? Deploy Operation: Orange Juice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 7 hours ago, Kapowzer said: Isn't that guy who produces the annual PDF of potential targets for us and fancy graphics and tables due a surface? He works, successfully considering their promotion, as the Head of Recruitment for Stirling Albion, last time i noticed, so not sure he'd have the time now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 fwiw, Hamilton beat us 3-2 last night to clinch the league and Uefa Youth league spot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 20 minutes ago, Neil86 said: fwiw, Hamilton beat us 3-2 last night to clinch the league and Uefa Youth league spot. Sounds like their youth team could probably give their first team a decent game right now! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alanos Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 I have room in my car for 4. I can take Morris, Maguire, McGinley and Shields and drop them off wherever a full tank of diesel will take me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted May 24, 2023 Share Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, welldaft said: I may be wrong but I am sure Shields played a run of around 25+ games without scoring. Maybe not all as starter. But either way you cook it that is an awful statistic. Hence why most inc myself hope he finds an alternative to coming back to Motherwell. But is that likely ? With Shields it kind of feels like for all his confidence was shot and getting him out to Queens made sense for everyone concerned his loan at QP has really just confirmed that the Championship is probably his level. To that point I could easily see another Championship club being willing to take him on loan. I noticed that Ketts was asked about him the other week and he referenced the point that he'd spoken to him and his understanding that part of Shields pushing for the loan was that he wanted to play as a central/main striker rather than being stuck out wide (as he had been under both Grezza and Hammell) which is entirely fair enough. He got that opportunity but - Queens fans will probably have a better idea than me - it doesn't feel like he kicked on in the way that you'd expect someone dropping down from the Premiership would. He certainly didn't have the same impact for them that Simon Murray did. You can probably make the same arguement of Maguire dropping down to Dundee. I'd imagine that when Kettlewell has his chat with the players next week there will be a few that he's going to point out that while they have a year left, and that's fine, they're not going to be starting so it's up to them what they want to do. Edited May 24, 2023 by capt_oats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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