capt_oats Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Honestly cant tell. It looks like its the same as the MLS window so is shut, but literally nowhere actually tells you either way. Transfermarkt has a helpful list: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/statistik/transferfenster I suppose it’s worth factoring in that this is just us announcing that he’s been mutualed. It could have been finalised slightly earlier (although he was on the bench against Hearts so was clearly still registered after our deadline passed). I see the Australian window closes on the 12th (yesterday for us with the time difference) and the Greek window closed yesterday. Presumably it’d leave him eligible for a move there. Posting at 8:57pm is similarly odd timing (literally). Edited September 12, 2023 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, KirkySuperSub said: If he's been mutualed, does that not therefore make him a free agent and therefore can sign for someone outside of any transfer window? Therefore. No. As I just mentioned he was still registered with us after our window closed (given he was on our bench against Hearts). It means he’d only be able to sign for a club whose window is still open now. Alternatively he needs to wait until January - see Steven Lawless as an example of a player we mutually consented outside a window. Edited September 12, 2023 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil86 Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, standupforthemotherwell said: I wonder if we kept him after the window because he needed a visa rather than becoming a free agent and having to go back home. Would be very surprised if he doesn't have something lined up in a league with strange transfer windows as otherwise he'd be happy to sit tight until January in case Theo gets injured I might be totally missing something here, but if he is a free agent, he's free to sign anywhere he wants, even out with the window, so he could rock up at St Johnstone or something? Ignore, just seen some similar messages and had no idea that was the case as @capt_oats referred too. Edited September 12, 2023 by Neil86 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Al B Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Not sure how true it is, but I'd heard his plans revolve around a career change back home and he's not continuing in football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, Neil86 said: I might be totally missing something here, but if he is a free agent, he's free to sign anywhere he wants, even out with the window, so he could rock up at St Johnstone or something? Nah, @capt_oats mentions above. You need to be without club before the window shuts basically. Which is why you usually see folk free'd to let them pick up a club easier in this neck of the woods 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swello Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 34 minutes ago, eliphas said: Nah, @capt_oats mentions above. You need to be without club before the window shuts basically. Which is why you usually see folk free'd to let them pick up a club easier in this neck of the woods Yep - if you think about the alternative, the transfer window system would be instantly broken. 36 minutes ago, Al B said: Not sure how true it is, but I'd heard his plans revolve around a career change back home and he's not continuing in football. This would at least make some sense rather than someone taking a payoff to sit on their arse until January. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thisGRAEME Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Al B said: Not sure how true it is, but I'd heard his plans revolve around a career change back home and he's not continuing in football. Seems a smart move for him, because he's fuckin humpty at it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazylegsjoe_mfc Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 You can't argue with the job that Kettlewell has done in streamlining our squad since he came in. You can probably just about pair these departures with incomings. Jake Carroll - Georgie Gent Barry Maguire - Harry Paton Kevin Van Veen - Connor Wilkinson Jack Aitchison - Oli Shaw Dean Cornelius - Davor Zdrawkowski Mikael Mandron - Theo Bair Max Johnston - Brodie Spencer James Furlong - Pape Souare Connor Shields - Mika Biereth This means that on top of them, we have got rid of Lamie, Efford, Crankshaw, Danzaki, McKinstry, Morris, Tierney and Goss without effectively really replacing them. On top of that, you could probably argue that in an ideal world Shaw and Gent wouldn't be here and have been a necessity through injuries. Spencer and Gent are still at the unproven stage and may prove to be as effective as Johnston and Furlong were, but apart from that, in this streamlining exercise, you would say that the only real drop off in quality has been Van Veen - which was always going to be the case. Even if he'd stayed, 2023/24 Van Veen would likely have been a drop-off in quality from 2022/23 Van Veen. Signing two perma-crocks in Obika and Souare for them to both get lengthy injuries is probably the only slight in his dealings for me so far. But even within that, the fact they are here for a year and six months respectively, those seem like deals that would have been 2 year deals in the past. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allroy for Prez Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 Didn’t manage to launch McGinley unfortunately but some/most blame lies with Alexander there for inexplicably extending his contract. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 29 minutes ago, Allroy for Prez said: Didn’t manage to launch McGinley unfortunately but some/most blame lies with Alexander there for inexplicably extending his contract. Tbh, we saw the value of keeping McGinley around the other week when we chucked him on at Tynecastle. If rumours are to be believed he’s on a relatively modest wage which means we’ve a player on the books who offers a bit of emergency cover at LWB/LCB. That’s…fine? Equally, assuming he’s not on a significant wage, it’s unlikely that anyone we’d be able to swap in on similar terms would be any better. I mean, would I be keeping him on after his contract is up? Probably not. Is it a surprise we’ve kept him around? Not really. Obviously the loan window is still open for lower league sides if we wanted to loan him out and a team wanted to take him but given the numbers in the squad I’d be surprised if that was something we were looking at. The fixation some folk have with Toby is pretty weird tbqhwy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 McGinley is a bit rubbish but he boils my piss infinitely less than Jake Carroll did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capt_oats Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) I suppose it depends on what the deal is with Efford's exit. If it's similar to the Danzaki situation where he's got a club lined up and the mutualling is to allow him to take up the offer with no cost to us then it wouldn't be a surprise if we were in the Free Agency market. If we've had to pay him off then it probably limits what we can do in terms of "one out, one in". Although, if that's the case then other than getting shot of a body I'm not sure what the benefit is to us. It'll be interesting to see if any friendly journos get briefed as to what the sketch is. I think it was Scott Burns who got the nudge on Danzaki going back to the A League after we'd announced the mutual consenting. As it stands though, based on our First Team: 23 bodies - @Swello alluded to it on the other page but while mileage may vary on the quality of of some of the players (and we've not seen much of the likes of Zdravkovski, Spencer, Shaw - or anything of Gent) this is probably as lean a squad as we've had in years - maybe since the McCall era? 3 of our 5 strikers are injured to varying degrees and given we've pivoted to effectively playing 2 #10s and 2 CMs we probably feel a wee bit light in there as well. If we are looking at bringing in another body it'll be interesting to see what area we'd prioritise tbh. Edited September 12, 2023 by capt_oats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welldaft Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 (edited) I think the job that Ketts and the management team have done in reshaping the squad on our modest budget has been excellent. I like how some get pissed off that Efford has not worked out. Hello…. Try spending a £Billion on players in the past 18 months like Chelsea and still manage to lose more than you win. And end up writing off £30m here and £50m there. With minimal wages and no to little signing fees we ought to get more wrong than right. I am excited that both Gent and Spencer will be more than adequate on either side of the defence. Based on nothing but a gut feel. In my defence I did think Biereth would be a baller. In his brief cameo he kinda backed up that assertion. I am in Glasgow for the England game. I cannot help but think of the parallels right now between Scotland and Motherwell. A decent squad with a decent Manager and team ethics excelling In terms of results… Long May it continue Edited September 12, 2023 by welldaft 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Handsome_Devil Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 1 hour ago, well fan for life said: McGinley is a bit rubbish but he boils my piss infinitely less than Jake Carroll did. Total guess but I suspect SK considers wages, work ethic and attitude to limited minutes and concludes that while upgrading McGinley might be nice, in the meantime he's allowed to stay. When he was beginning to bomb folk out left right and centre late last season I always thought it notable he trusted SOD despite his form going off a cliff. Yes, MJ was first pick but SOD came ob virtually every week to see things out. McGinley obviously doesn't have much potential so I would think it'd be his other attributes which make him acceptable in terms of the balance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliphas Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 8 hours ago, Neil86 said: I might be totally missing something here, but if he is a free agent, he's free to sign anywhere he wants, even out with the window, so he could rock up at St Johnstone or something? Efford was on c2k a week from what I heard. Similar to Lamie. Saved about 100k per year between the two of them is the info I got which is no mean feat. 'Managing out' springs to mind. Haha 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gianfranco Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 I’ve read mutualed as mutilated at least twice. Doubt he’ll be getting a club if it’s the later. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redstarcvedza Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 51 minutes ago, eliphas said: Efford was on c2k a week from what I heard. Similar to Lamie. Saved about 100k per year between the two of them is the info I got which is no mean feat. 'Managing out' springs to mind. Haha If true whoever sanctioned 2k per week should get their jotters. To my untrained eye Efford had no first touch, no game awareness and no fight. It may be overly harsh but I think the few things he did right were by chance rather than deliberate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allroy for Prez Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 That’s a shocking amount for 2 absolute donkeys to be bringing in! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 We also paid actual money for Efford did we not? I don't claim to be an expert in football but even I could spot he was a dud pretty early on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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