tree house tam Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Good young players will get dropped by clubs for a multitude of reasons. It's really up to them if they're dedicated enough to take it on the chin and try again. Won't slag off any club for releasing youngsters as 99% of the time there's valid reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 5 minutes ago, Center half said: James McArthur got credited for being dumped by Saints when he was younger, I do not know if he was actually ever on the Youth system though. I think there is, or was, a point where you can move around clubs without actually being classed as one of their players. There seem to be a few cases of kids turning out for a few different sides without being classed as theirs. A very young Spoony played for us before joining Celtic youths and there's a picture of John Rankin playing for us in a tournament abroad but neither are classed as ex-Saints kids. I think McArthur fits in with this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radford Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Tommy Wright and Steve Brown in Dublin this afternoon watching David McMillan and Robbie Benson playing for Dundalk in the FAI Cup final. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Tommy Wright and Steve Brown in Dublin this afternoon watching David McMillan and Robbie Benson playing for Dundalk in the FAI Cup final. Do you think Brown would be there if we weren't discussing contracts with them?As in, this is more likely to be us signing them than scouting them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, 7-2 said: To be honest, I don't actually care where a first team player comes from. I kind of think that the romance of having a home grown team is as out of date as dreaming about only 3pm kick offs. It hasn't spolied the most successful spell in our history because, with one notable exception, the squad was a collection of brought in journeymen! Agree to an extent. The big hope with a home grown player for a club is you can sell him on and make money obviously. That's not necessarily that big a thing for supporters though.. Take Stevie May for example. One great season but as soon as he's going well, his agent whisks him away to the best deal he can get for himself at the earliest opportunity. The club get £800,000 which is brilliant for the bank balance and to go towards running costs, but as Saints fans what have we really got out of that deal? We haven't seen a great deal of that money re-invested in replacements. You could argue that experienced professionals such as Anderson, Millar, Maclean, Easton, Mackay, Davidson, Wright who have probably given us nearly 50 seasons between them have been far more important in terms of continuity and building a successful team. As a supporter, I think that's where you build a connection to your team's players, guys who are with you for a few years, with a bit of loyalty, which seems to be less common these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 6 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: Agree to an extent. The big hope with a home grown player for a club is you can sell him on and make money obviously. That's not necessarily that big a thing for supporters though.. Take Stevie May for example. One great season but as soon as he's going well, his agent whisks him away to the best deal he can get for himself at the earliest opportunity. The club get £800,000 which is brilliant for the bank balance and to go towards running costs, but as Saints fans what have we really got out of that deal? We haven't seen a great deal of that money re-invested in replacements. You could argue that experienced professionals such as Anderson, Millar, Maclean, Easton, Mackay, Davidson, Wright who have probably given us nearly 50 seasons between them have been far more important in terms of continuity and building a successful team. As a supporter, I think that's where you build a connection to your team's players, guys who are with you for a few years, with a bit of loyalty, which seems to be less common these days. Totally agree with you. Loyalty's another outdated concept though and I actually think it's understandably had it's day. Clubs put money first now so I don't blame the player for doing the same. 'Our' club is just another employer to most players after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 21 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Do you think Brown would be there if we weren't discussing contracts with them? As in, this is more likely to be us signing them than scouting them. You'd think Steve wouldn't waste the cost of an airfare unless there's money being talked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lichtie78 Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 Geoff wanted a production factory to boost the first team and a big sale every couple of seasons. This didn't happen so he lost faith and cut back but it would still have been an expensive business. Macanespie was about the same time as Griffin but I'll give you him. Parker you are spot on with but that's about it during the 00s. At least they made a name with Saints and decided to move onwards and upwards. I think the closest we've come to having ones that got away were Manny Panther and Jonny Lindsay, both apparently destined for big things, eyebrows raised when they were released, both picked up by Partick to compound that feeling but after a bright start faded out and headed south to lower and non league clubs. Panther at least made a career out of the game. To be honest, I don't actually care where a first team player comes from. I kind of think that the romance of having a home grown team is as out of date as dreaming about only 3pm kick offs. It hasn't spolied the most successful spell in our history because, with one notable exception, the squad was a collection of brought in journeymen! Johnny Lindsay Nice guy but never a footballer in a million years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Costanza Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 We should never have let David Bingham leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) I'm sure we developed Paul Deas, Andy Whiteford and Kevin Cuthbert. Edited November 5, 2017 by The Saintee 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted November 5, 2017 Share Posted November 5, 2017 And Chris Kane. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 A quick ferret around (yep, Wiki) sees that Deas was early to mid 90s, Whiteford 94 -00 but didn't play much and turned out more for Stirling than us but Cuthbert is spot on. 01 - 08, 110 appearances. An obvious name from this period is Andy Jackson. Damn shame he was never the same after the illness. Stuart McCluskey was of course at the same time as Griffin and often partnered him. I thought Stuart Malcolm played more than he did. I'd forgotten all about Bobby Mann. Like Bingham earlier he had a decent career after getting the boot. Digging back can be infectious! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 18 hours ago, 7-2 said: You'd think Steve wouldn't waste the cost of an airfare unless there's money being talked. Either that or he's spotted an opportunity for a piss up in Dublin using the club's expense account. I suspect we're quite far down the line with one or both of them if the manager and chairman are over in Ireland watching them play. Hopefully something will be announced this week as I think we're all pretty scunnered with the shite on display just now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 19 hours ago, PauloPerth said: Agree to an extent. The big hope with a home grown player for a club is you can sell him on and make money obviously. That's not necessarily that big a thing for supporters though.. Take Stevie May for example. One great season but as soon as he's going well, his agent whisks him away to the best deal he can get for himself at the earliest opportunity. The club get £800,000 which is brilliant for the bank balance and to go towards running costs, but as Saints fans what have we really got out of that deal? We haven't seen a great deal of that money re-invested in replacements. You could argue that experienced professionals such as Anderson, Millar, Maclean, Easton, Mackay, Davidson, Wright who have probably given us nearly 50 seasons between them have been far more important in terms of continuity and building a successful team. As a supporter, I think that's where you build a connection to your team's players, guys who are with you for a few years, with a bit of loyalty, which seems to be less common these days. In one sense supporters didn't see the May money, but it balanced the books, allowed an increased wage budget and so indirectly funded contracts for other the players you mentioned. Saints have benefited from stability over the last few years, and it's why - along with a manager who values continuity - we've kept so many players for a long time. I don't think it's an emotional attachment; but we've simply been one of the few clubs in Scotland which has consistently been both financially stable and successful over the past 10 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Woolshed Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 My old club Selkirk have just signed George Hunter. It didn’t work out for him at Saints but fingers crossed he regains the form that brought him to us in the first place 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Apparently the McMillan deal looks likely from Dundalk, meanwhile the other one has demanded too high a wage to be considered further. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Apparently the McMillan deal looks likely from Dundalk, meanwhile the other one has demanded too high a wage to be considered further. Happy enough with that, as McMillan is actually a striker and you'd say we need that more. Wouldn't be overly shocked if Benson struggles to get what he wants/ends up available in the Summer as he's not made it, and we see him here at some point anyway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Happy enough with that, as McMillan is actually a striker and you'd say we need that more. Wouldn't be overly shocked if Benson struggles to get what he wants/ends up available in the Summer as he's not made it, and we see him here at some point anyway He’s 25, I’d argue he’s already not made it if he’s still playing over there at that age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 He’s 25, I’d argue he’s already not made it if he’s still playing over there at that age. Tbf was Mannus not about 30 before he moved from Irish football? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widge Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Tbf was Mannus not about 30 before he moved from Irish football? Think Mannus is in season 6 with saints and he's 33 if I remember correctly so he was 27/28 when he joined saints. Respectfully though a goalkeeper is a totally different example given the nature of an outfield player by comparison. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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