RedLichtie86 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 After this weeks fixtures we have matched the 3.25 points that will drop off next season, so anything gained now is an improvement. Aberdeen didn't have much chance in their tie. Hibs out in 3rd qualifying round, basically what the Dons have achieved in last few years. Celtic have been poor so far but you'd expect them to win their next tie and get in group stages. Rangers done well, good chance of winning their next tie and also being in the group stages. Seems the non OF teams really struggle to get past 3rd round ties, Unless there is more funding in the game then don't know how the non OF clubs are going to get in to that playoff and beyond.We need to reach 4 points as that was how much we earned in the 14/15 season. Next season the 4 points from that season will no longer be used in the coefficient calculation. So getting at least 4 we will be much the same as this year in terms of coefficient points.We have bettered the 3 points earned in the 15/16 season (with hopefully more to be added) so that is a bonus as when the 3 points drop off we will hopefully get a boost in terms of where we stand in the coefficient table.Depending on how other countries do over the next 2 years in gaining points we may jump up the a few more places. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, WATTOO said: Is there really any point for clubs from the likes of Scotland to continue with this European farce ?? The Inter Toto was scrapped as it was basically costing clubs money and you had to play so many games just to gain a European place "proper", so basically what we now have is just the inter toto in a different guise That's precisely what the slot Hibs used is - the converted Intertoto place. When the Europa League was established everyone effectively received an extra slot in lieu of the abolished Intertoto Cup. What's happened is that most other slots of small and now medium countries have been 'drawn back' into earlier rounds, as more and more groupstage slots have been ring-fenced for big countries. Aberdeen reached 2007-08 UEFA Cup groupstage by winning 1 tie, which despite being unseeded was against the only semi-formidable Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk. Edited August 17, 2018 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesM82 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, thepundit said: But don't the non OF clubs regularly lose in Europe to teams with lower funding? Fair enough, more funding would help, but they should be doing better with the money they have. Not really, with the odd exception. It feels like some of these clubs (like Molde) should have less funding due to their crowd sizes, but they usually have a lot more income from other sources. Usually a mixture of a better TV contract and more commercial income. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, thepundit said: But don't the non OF clubs regularly lose in Europe to teams with lower funding? Fair enough, more funding would help, but they should be doing better with the money they have. It's not quite as simple as that due to UK immigration laws. What you tend to find is that some of these "lesser" teams tend to have decent South American, Central American and African players in their squad, which unfortunately we cannot have in this country due to work permit restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: Good news for Aberdeen is that they should have a personal coefficient of 5.5 next year which would be good enough to have been seeded in the 2nd Qualifying Round this year. Hopefully they can get a decent run if they qualify next year. In theory yes, but then other clubs will have increased their club coefficient as well, since all of the points have increased. Aberdeen got 1.5 this year for QR2, but only got 1.0 last season for getting to QR3. At least they have now scored in all of their past five seasons. Rangers might have to still rely on the country coefficient minimum - 3.725 just now but likely to rise with more good results. Although if they reach the group stage and win/draw a few games they could go higher than that on their own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 We need to be looking at about 5 points per year if we want to be reaching 17th place an upwards and later entry / increased places. Hopefully both Rangers and Celtic make the groups stages and pick up a few wins. I think 21st should be an achievable target for this season 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Hopefully they get absolutely rode 7-0 by a bunch of Romanian pepper-howkers. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 7 hours ago, badgerthewitness said: Bumping this magnificent post to reinforce the purpose of the thread. What is the purpose of the thread? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: What is the purpose of the thread? Title of the thread kind of gives it away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: What is the purpose of the thread? The purpose of the thread is to monitor the UEFA Country Coefficient although other P&Bers also like to discuss individual UEFA Club Coefficients. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badgerthewitness Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: Title of the thread kind of gives it away. It's worth explaining. He might think there's a special, UEFA-issued piece of wearable tech which provides updates on seedings. Such is the level of his tedium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said: Title of the thread kind of gives it away. Yes, that's what I thought. Can it only be a purely numerical exercise though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Yes, that's what I thought. Can it only be a purely numerical exercise though? Any thread can go off on tangents, that's what happens. It's just i'd equate this to a match thread/scores thread in that it serves a specific purpose: Is the coefficient higher, lower or the same following results in Europe. That's why it's been around for over 2 years, and threads inspired by the kind of tangents that occur in here are relatively dead threads. UEFA draws incompetent and unfair ... Time for champions league reconfiguration? UEFA solidarity payment Why bother? Scottish teams in the Europa - have a raffle Can Someone Please Explain? Edited August 17, 2018 by FairWeatherFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) It seems a shame if a thread entitled coefficientwatch cannot allow examination of the significance or otherwise of the coefficient. Edited August 17, 2018 by Monkey Tennis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde01 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Our teams seem to be having relative success over the last 5 years winning through a few rounds (with a few hilarious exceptions) and taking a few scalps along the way.If the coefficient is raised then we will enter at a slightly later stage but are more likely to come up against a bigger team and have one tie then out (like Aberdeen this year). I would have thought playing a few ties builds more of a European ‘tour’ experience for fans.Also there is a benefit to getting competitive matches under our belt in Q1 that helps in Q2 imo and has led to catching teams cold (eg Groningen, Asteras Tripoli etc). Would our clubs have won those ties if they came straight into them without the earlier matches?As a fan I would much rather see my side dispatch a diddy, play a roughly equivalent team then maybe get a bigger draw as opposed to straight into a humping off someone decent.With that all in mind why stress ourselves about the coefficient when realistically the competitions themselves are now so heavily stacked in favour of the big nations?(Even Holland are down to only 2 clubs left in Europe already and it’s mid August!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Clyde01 said: If the coefficient is raised then we will enter at a slightly later stage but are more likely to come up against a bigger team and have one tie then out (like Aberdeen this year). I would have thought playing a few ties builds more of a European ‘tour’ experience for fans. Also there is a benefit to getting competitive matches under our belt in Q1 that helps in Q2 imo and has led to catching teams cold (eg Groningen, Asteras Tripoli etc). Would our clubs have won those ties if they came straight into them without the earlier matches? As a fan I would much rather see my side dispatch a diddy, play a roughly equivalent team then maybe get a bigger draw as opposed to straight into a humping off someone decent. If the country coefficient is raised then clubs contributing towards it will have increased their club's coefficient as well, so they are more likely to be seeded and thus avoid a bigger team. For example, Aberdeen were the 9th highest ranked unseeded team for the 2nd qualifying round. Had they competed in 2013/14 and got to QR3 like the last few years, their coefficient would've been 5.000 - just enough to be seeded and with a chance of getting a diddy instead of a decent team. Next season we're 26th so all three UEL teams enter in QR1. Probably all seeded so they can play a diddy, then maybe unseeded for QR2 so luck of the draw what kind of a seed you get. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 23 minutes ago, Ginaro said: If the country coefficient is raised then clubs contributing towards it will have increased their club's coefficient as well, so they are more likely to be seeded and thus avoid a bigger team. For example, Aberdeen were the 9th highest ranked unseeded team for the 2nd qualifying round. Had they competed in 2013/14 and got to QR3 like the last few years, their coefficient would've been 5.000 - just enough to be seeded and with a chance of getting a diddy instead of a decent team. Next season we're 26th so all three UEL teams enter in QR1. Probably all seeded so they can play a diddy, then maybe unseeded for QR2 so luck of the draw what kind of a seed you get. Probably the only good thing to the changes that they made to qualifying is that luck of the draw really is a thing again. The play-off round was always drawn after QR3 was completed, so everyone clubs standing was wiped to their own coefficient. Now clubs keep whoever had the highest seed from QR3, which has worked out in Rangers favour this year by making them a seed. What the seeding for the Play-off Round would have looked like under the old method: How it actually looked like this year and going forward: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 19 countries out of Europe going into the play-off round, Poland Liechtenstein Albania IrelandEstoniaFinland Iceland Bosnia-Herzegovina Latvia Armenia Malta Wales Montenegro Faroe Islands Gibraltar Northern Ireland Kosovo Andorra San Marino This list is the real diddy countries for this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 1 hour ago, wastecoatwilly said: 19 countries out of Europe going into the play-off round, Poland Liechtenstein Albania IrelandEstoniaFinland Iceland Bosnia-Herzegovina Latvia Armenia Malta Wales Montenegro Faroe Islands Gibraltar Northern Ireland Kosovo Andorra San Marino This list is the real diddy countries for this year. Also some countries with 1 team left who are playing each other, one of which will be down to 0 in two weeks. Moldova / Azerbaijan Lithuania (we hope) Georgia / Bulgaria 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 That list looks like exactly what you'd expect, with the exception of Poland. Imagine losing one of your big clubs to part-timers from Luxembourg. Minter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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