Guest DAVIDB69 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Isn’t the realism we are actually getting worse 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Isn’t the realism we are actually getting worse Only if realism doesn't involve actual quantifiable evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor1874 Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 19 hours ago, DAVIDB69 said: Isn’t the realism we are actually getting worse I don't believe we are. I believe it's more a case that the ever changing landscape of European football is leaving us looking somewhat stagnant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 I dont know it its just me, but we seem to have done really badly out the latest restructuring. The teams as the top get more, the ones at the bottom stay the same, but the ones in the middle are losing out to give those at the top more 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 10 hours ago, honestly united said: I dont know it its just me, but we seem to have done really badly out the latest restructuring. The teams as the top get more, the ones at the bottom stay the same, but the ones in the middle are losing out to give those at the top more The ones at the bottom had nothing left to give. Those just behind the top nations did alright from giving more champions a place in the CL group stages, so yeah, those in the next group (like us) are the ones who lost out. European competitions are to top Scottish clubs what the Scottish Cup is to Linlithgow Rose - a bit of early season excitement, potential to visit some place new and you might get to play someone actually good at some point. But we all know the competition isn't really for us and we'll be out long before the serious teams have to start taking it seriously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 The state of play before we get this season's campaign underway: https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2020.html 15 Cyprus 3.000 5.500 7.000 6.125 0.000 21.625 4/ 4 16 Greece 5.400 5.800 5.100 5.100 0.000 21.400 5/ 5 17 Croatia 4.500 5.125 5.125 5.750 0.000 20.500 4/ 4 18 Switzerland 5.300 4.300 6.500 3.900 0.000 20.000 5/ 5 19 Serbia 4.250 2.875 6.375 6.000 0.000 19.500 4/ 4 20 Scotland 3.000 4.375 4.000 6.750 0.000 18.125 4/ 4 21 Norway 7.250 1.375 4.000 5.375 0.000 18.000 4/ 4 22 Israel 2.250 6.750 5.625 2.625 0.000 17.250 4/ 4 If everything goes the same way as last season then we'll move up one place to 19th. Here's hoping for eight wins in the first qualifying round. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 On 31/05/2019 at 12:37, DAFC. said: We are 5 places off getting a 2nd Champions League spot. How realistic is it we achieve that? You say that as if it's at all desirable. No single development would be worse for our game. If there's one thing worse than OF fans (and I can only think of one) it's when diddy fans pipe up for their interests. Voluntary serfdom - sickening. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 ahh the annual coefficient argument. Wonderful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 44 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: ahh the annual coefficient argument. Wonderful. If you'd rather read posts in which people get excited about a 0.016 here, or a 0.109 there, as if it matters, be my guest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: If you'd rather read posts in which people get excited about a 0.016 here, or a 0.109 there, as if it matters, be my guest. Don't be so sensitive MT, I wasn't having a go. It is just that the argument is the same every year and it can be tedious. I'm split on the issue as one side of me would like to see greater access to Europe for more clubs, not see us get further and further away. The real issue here is not coefficients but what one or two clubs qualifying for the CL does to domestic competitions in countries like ours. I'd rather reform so that a large % of CL money goes to the SPFL as opposed to Celtic for example and it becomes an investment in the league as opposed to a reward for the club. This is, however, fanciful as no parties involved would want it and we'd be told to be grateful for the £250k we get out of Celtic qualifying or whatever it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Don't be so sensitive MT, I wasn't having a go. It is just that the argument is the same every year and it can be tedious. I'm split on the issue as one side of me would like to see greater access to Europe for more clubs, not see us get further and further away. The real issue here is not coefficients but what one or two clubs qualifying for the CL does to domestic competitions in countries like ours. I'd rather reform so that a large % of CL money goes to the SPFL as opposed to Celtic for example and it becomes an investment in the league as opposed to a reward for the club. This is, however, fanciful as no parties involved would want it and we'd be told to be grateful for the £250k we get out of Celtic qualifying or whatever it is. Indeed. These are precisely the arguments that we should be having regarding the coefficient, as opposed to divorcing the whole idea of context and instead seeing it as about mere arithmetic, rather than power. That's what I strive to do each year on here. The bad news is that I've no plans of stopping. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: The bad news is that I've no plans of stopping. Don't worry I'm adept at avoiding your dog with a bone act if I feel tedium approaching. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Don't worry I'm adept at avoiding your dog with a bone act if I feel tedium approaching. It's not a problem if we have different ideas of what represents tedium. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: It's not a problem if we have different ideas of what represents tedium. Awe feck the doomhamer is back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Thing is, with the new access list and UEL2 in 2021 - unless we move up the rankings we're not going to have anyone in the UEL (unless our champions drop down from UCL QR2) while 2nd-4th will be fighting against 99 other teams to get one of the 17 spots in the UEL2 group stage. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Dons_1988 said: Don't be so sensitive MT, I wasn't having a go. It is just that the argument is the same every year and it can be tedious. I'm split on the issue as one side of me would like to see greater access to Europe for more clubs, not see us get further and further away. The real issue here is not coefficients but what one or two clubs qualifying for the CL does to domestic competitions in countries like ours. I'd rather reform so that a large % of CL money goes to the SPFL as opposed to Celtic for example and it becomes an investment in the league as opposed to a reward for the club. This is, however, fanciful as no parties involved would want it and we'd be told to be grateful for the £250k we get out of Celtic qualifying or whatever it is. It's not impossible for Aberdeen to get to the group stages to share the rewards of European football. Even a 50/50 (club and league) split of all European dosh wouldn't guarantee more success for Scottish clubs in Europe. Given Livingston or Hamilton a million or two would only increase the gap from the top tier to the second tier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: It's not impossible for Aberdeen to get to the group stages to share the rewards of European football. Even a 50/50 (club and league) split of all European dosh wouldn't guarantee more success for Scottish clubs in Europe. Given Livingston or Hamilton a million or two would only increase the gap from the top tier to the second tier. You're assuming the end goal is success in Europe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: You're assuming the end goal is success in Europe But your simple idea is throw more dosh at it just like the NHS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, wastecoatwilly said: But your simple idea is throw more dosh at it just like the NHS. Yes willy, thanks willy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 13 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Yes willy, thanks willy. If you think Aberdeen getting more dosh will win them the league that is delusions of grandeur. Maybe having Sir Steve Clarke as manager would've made your dreams come true. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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