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[AmericanFan]

On 05/03/2021 at 01:50, charger29 said:

On 05/03/2021 at 00:07, AmericanFan said:

Obviously this will be changing on a weekly basis, but with some upsets in Round 2 (hopefully not against Scotland teams), there's a decent chance both could be seeded in Round 3 should they advance. That's a good position to be in.

Annoyingly the 3rd round draw takes place before the 2nd round has been completed (same with all other rounds in all competitions). They'd have to hope some of the teams above them lose out in the 1st round but given the quality of opposition at that stage that seems unlikely.

Aberdeen has shot up the board and would now be seeded in Round 3 it appears. It's obviously constantly in flux, but that's interesting.

Edited March 12, 2021 by AmericanFan
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[TheGoon]

6 hours ago, AmericanFan said:

No. If Rangers lose next week and one of the Ukrainian teams win (or both tie), they'll jump ahead.  Or if Rangers tie and both Ukrainian teams win or one wins and one ties, they'll jump ahead.

Well aye that’s what I was meaning. A comeback from either side is unlikely, we (should) be sound...should. 

[AmericanFan]

5 minutes ago, TheGoon said:

Well aye that’s what I was meaning. A comeback from either side is unlikely, we (should) be sound...should. 

But each individual match is worth co-efficient points.  So both Ukrainian teams could win 1-0 next week and not advance, and Rangers could tie 0-0 and advance, and Ukraine would still move ahead.

[Ginaro]

8 hours ago, AmericanFan said:

Aberdeen has shot up the board and would now be seeded in Round 3 it appears. It's obviously constantly in flux, but that's interesting.

Also noticed that Hibs are one place away from being in pot 3 in the Conference League, their coefficient will increase if Rangers progress and they'll move up (Aberdeen would be pot 3 anyway).

[54_and_counting]

10 hours ago, AmericanFan said:

But each individual match is worth co-efficient points.  So both Ukrainian teams could win 1-0 next week and not advance, and Rangers could tie 0-0 and advance, and Ukraine would still move ahead.

But then rangers would get bonus points for making the last 8, so should bump scotland shesd of ukraine no? 

[FairWeatherFan]

25 minutes ago, 54_and_counting said:

But then rangers would get bonus points for making the last 8, so should bump scotland shesd of ukraine no? 

Scotland would just be short under that scenario. Rangers would have to pick up at least a draw from the Quarter Finals. I think it would work out as Ukraine : 33.900 Scotland 33.875 with Ukraine getting the 2 win exit and Rangers the draw and bonus point.

[54_and_counting]

1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said:

Scotland would just be short under that scenario. Rangers would have to pick up at least a draw from the Quarter Finals. I think it would work out as Ukraine : 33.900 Scotland 33.875 with Ukraine getting the 2 win exit and Rangers the draw and bonus point.

Fucking hell, we just need to win next week then, not gonna be easy, mob looked like they could play a bit, 

[Ranaldo Bairn]

Rangers should have sweated out the bevvy by then, though.

Although that lot were handy, Rangers showed they could create several chances against them, and their keeper looked like a joker throughout (that one save in the top corner aside).

Edited March 12, 2021 by Ranaldo Bairn

[craigkillie]

They did a number on Leicester in the previous round. I think Rangers are probably better equipped to deal with them, but they seem like a team who know exactly how to play away from home in Europe.

[mozam76]

Villareal 2-0 up at home at half time. I'd imagine a win for Dynamo Kiev there is unlikely so11th seems now all but secure. 

Edited March 18, 2021 by mozam76
Wrong team named!

[Ginaro]

Villarreal 2-0 up against Dynamo Kiev so 11th is all but secure, Rangers playing for their own coefficient now (could be crucial for next season).

Edited March 18, 2021 by Ginaro

[DMCs]

That is the Kyiv result done. Means whomever wins the Scottish title next season will likely go straight into Champions League group stages in 22/23. The only scenario that wouldn't happen is if the CL winners next season didn't qualify for the CL through their own league position.

[DiegoDiego]

Means whomever wins the Scottish title next season will likely go straight into Champions League group stages in 22/23.

Scottish football needs a strong St. Mirren.

[RedLichtie86]

So in the 22-23 season ww will have 2 teams and also very possible that we will have 3 teams playing group stage football until xmas.

Thats got to be a good thing for Scottish Football.

Anyone heard from Monkey Tennis?

[Ginaro]

1 minute ago, RedLichtie86 said:

So in the 22-23 season ww will have 2 teams and also very possible that we will have 3 teams playing group stage football until xmas.

Yes, but that also applies next season as well. Rangers and 3rd/CW guaranteed, Celtic need to win one tie.

[The Golden God]

Yes, but that also applies next season as well. Rangers and 3rd/CW guaranteed, Celtic need to win one tie.

Bold of you to assume Celtic get 2nd

[craigkillie]

Bold of you to assume Celtic get 2nd

They're 13 points clear with 6 games to go, I think it's a fairly safe bet.

[charger29]

The new format for the EL playoff is interesting. The standard club seeding wont be used in that round for some reason.
Instead, teams will be grouped by how they reached the PO round (direct qualifiers for PO round, through EL 3rd rd main path, through EL 3rd rd ch path, lost CL 3rd rd ch path).
The draw procedure is a bit confusing but, focussing on how this will affect the Scottish Cup winners, it seems like it will be a fair bit easier to get through the PO round now as well.
The exact numbers change a little depending on the usual title holders issue but I think most of the time there'll be 5 in 8 chance that the SC winners will play a team who qualified through the EL 3rd rd ch path. Also 1 in 8 chance of drawing the team from the EL 3rd rd main path and 2 in 8 of drawing a team who loses in the CL 3rd round ch path.
Long story short, there's a decent chance the SC winners play the champions of countires like Slovenia, Slovakia, Georgia, Hungary etc. We will also completely avoid the CW/3rd place teams from Russia, Belgium, Ukraine, Netherlands etc.

[DMCs]

22 minutes ago, charger29 said:

The new format for the EL playoff is interesting. The standard club seeding wont be used in that round for some reason.
Instead, teams will be grouped by how they reached the PO round (direct qualifiers for PO round, through EL 3rd rd main path, through EL 3rd rd ch path, lost CL 3rd rd ch path).
The draw procedure is a bit confusing but, focussing on how this will affect the Scottish Cup winners, it seems like it will be a fair bit easier to get through the PO round now as well.
The exact numbers change a little depending on the usual title holders issue but I think most of the time there'll be 5 in 8 chance that the SC winners will play a team who qualified through the EL 3rd rd ch path. Also 1 in 8 chance of drawing the team from the EL 3rd rd main path and 2 in 8 of drawing a team who loses in the CL 3rd round ch path.
Long story short, there's a decent chance the SC winners play the champions of countires like Slovenia, Slovakia, Georgia, Hungary etc. We will also completely avoid the CW/3rd place teams from Russia, Belgium, Ukraine, Netherlands etc.

Would Rangers be seeded or unseeded if we lost in the 3rd CL round and dropped into EL playoff?

[charger29]

Would Rangers be seeded or unseeded if we lost in the 3rd CL round and dropped into EL playoff?

It'd depend on who else loses in the ch CLq3 path.
The six teams who lose will be drawn against one another by seeding. It's probably fair to assume Rangers would be seeded though.
Things would be slightly different for future seasons I think.
Edit: things could be change for this season too depending on who wins the EL and where they finish in the league. 2 of the 6 teams in that hypothetical Rangers situation may have to play against two of the direct PO round qualifiers i.e. CW/3rd place from Russia, Belgium, Ukraine, Netherlands etc.