Crawford Bridge Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 You'd have thought attendance fc would've wanted their capacity to be more than Easter Road, even if it was just by one seat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) On 07/10/2023 at 10:10, Otis Blue said: ^^^ This. Still think it strange that when replacing the main stand at Tynie, the Jambos went down the road of a new stand (virtual replica of the Wheatfield) capacity that would barely increase the existing capacity, if at all. Can only suppose the constraints must have been cost (for a two tier main stand) and of course Tynie's main constraint being that it is so tightly hemmed in by tenements, the school, etc. You would think that Hearts should have been aiming for a capacity around the 25k mark to cope with bigger games whilst still maintaining the atmos. at smaller games. "Mad Vlad's" £51,000,000 (at 2007 prices)... 23,000-seater... plans: BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Heart of Midlothian | Hearts lodge £51m stadium plans Edinburgh: Hearts launch their new stand campaign – StadiumDB.com Alternatives: Edited October 8, 2023 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 minute ago, HibeeJibee said: "Mad Vlad's" £51,000,000 (at 2007 prices)... 23,000-seater... plans: BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Heart of Midlothian | Hearts lodge £51m stadium plans Edinburgh: Hearts launch their new stand campaign – StadiumDB.com Alternatives: Both would have been epic. Is there room behind the Wheatsheaf stand to build upwards? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Is there room behind the Wheatsheaf stand to build upwards? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Blue Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Both would have been epic. Is there room behind the Wheatsheaf stand to build upwards? The Wheatfield ... not sure who owns the land behind it. Is it the North British Distillery? Looks a bit tight for space to expand the Wheatfield without encroaching onto the land behind. I'd imagine without expansion behind, the planning consent would be difficult due to poor access and egress for safety reasons. Maybe the new main stand on McLeod St. is capable of future extension - although there is a nursery school towards the Roseburn end. The current capacity of circa 19k would be a bit small should the Jambos get their act together and field a side of consistent high quality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eder Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Crawford Bridge said: You'd have thought attendance fc would've wanted their capacity to be more than Easter Road, even if it was just by one seat. Did Hibs also design their stands so the corners could be joined if there was reason? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Eder said: Did Hibs also design their stands so the corners could be joined if there was reason? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDonald Jardine Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 On 08/10/2023 at 11:28, Crawford Bridge said: You'd have thought attendance fc would've wanted their capacity to be more than Easter Road, even if it was just by one seat. Would you aye? For the moment we are more or less filling our wee stadium. Hibs can't quite say the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crawford Bridge Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 13 hours ago, MacDonald Jardine said: Would you aye? For the moment we are more or less filling our wee stadium. Hibs can't quite say the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leith Green Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 08/10/2023 at 11:28, Crawford Bridge said: You'd have thought attendance fc would've wanted their capacity to be more than Easter Road, even if it was just by one seat. When Hearts opened their new stand, Budge talked about it being above 20000 - I think we all know thats overstated by a decent chunk. Building the new stand was important from a modernisation and hospitality perspective, but to come out the other end of the project with a stadium where the capacity is still a fair bit below 20000 is a minter. They published the attendance on Saturday as 18600 - I know that there is a bit of "keep the radges away from each other" segregation there, lets say 400 seats, but that means their theoretical max is 19000. Obviously it could be a bit higher if they didnt have any away fans, but for a club with such a large waiting list for season tickets* it seems like they shot themselves in the foot with the new stand. On the question of making any of the other stands larger, I think that Hearts fans on here have already said that there are some pretty big practical difficulties with land footprint etc. They do need to spend a few quid refurbishing the 3 older stands, imv. *sic 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 08/10/2023 at 23:36, HibeeJibee said: Was that not one of the concept designs for when the east? Stand was being designed? From memory fans were consulted over a one or two tier stand and opted for the one tier. I guess the above would work between the main and 'away' stand, but between the east and famous five stand, the single to double tier would cause an issue so would end up something like Norwich would have? Personally I think easter road would be immense with corners filled in where possible and would present less of a challenge than Tynecastle would have on expanding, but there surely isn't any need just yet? Out of interest, any idea of how many seats are 'lost' by having to have the two kinks in the stands due to the roads? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: Was that not one of the concept designs for when the east? Stand was being designed? From memory fans were consulted over a one or two tier stand and opted for the one tier. They could presumably still do that but the lines of the bottom "tier" would have to start turning a bit earlier so that they merge together by the time they joined the east stand 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 On 08/10/2023 at 20:36, Otis Blue said: The current capacity of circa 19k would be a bit small should the Jambos get their act together and field a side of consistent high quality. No need to panic then ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Leith Green said: When Hearts opened their new stand, Budge talked about it being above 20000 - I think we all know thats overstated by a decent chunk. Building the new stand was important from a modernisation and hospitality perspective, but to come out the other end of the project with a stadium where the capacity is still a fair bit below 20000 is a minter. They published the attendance on Saturday as 18600 - I know that there is a bit of "keep the radges away from each other" segregation there, lets say 400 seats, but that means their theoretical max is 19000. Obviously it could be a bit higher if they didnt have any away fans, but for a club with such a large waiting list for season tickets* it seems like they shot themselves in the foot with the new stand. On the question of making any of the other stands larger, I think that Hearts fans on here have already said that there are some pretty big practical difficulties with land footprint etc. They do need to spend a few quid refurbishing the 3 older stands, imv. 19,667 is the record attendance for the modern Tynecastle (vs Hibs four years ago) but I can't see Hibs getting the whole stand again any time soon Given that we first had Chris Robinson telling us that staying at Tynecastle was impossible and then Vlad saying that he would be spending lots of money on infrastructure if only the council would allow him there's a few decades of rumours, half truths, lies and actual facts surrounding the obstacles that stood in the way of stadium redevelopment so it's hard to get a clear picture One persistent story, which has at least some truth to it, is that the health and safety implications of the distillery storing huge tanks of ethanol next door limits what we could do. A detail that's harder to confirm, but I think is plausible is the commonly held belief that the distillery could move things around but we would have to pay the not insignificant costs If we were in a position to go for a big expansion (like another deck on the Wheatfield) then that additional cost might be worthwhile but to have done that in order to have one more seat than Hibs or it would be a bit silly More to the point. While there's a case, with hindsight, to criticise the budge era board for a lack of ambition in terms of capacity at the time having been through a near death experience there weren't many people wanting to criticise financial caution And it wasn't just their decision. Federation members voted to delay taking ownership of the club in order to help fund the stand instead Edited October 10, 2023 by topcat(The most tip top) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Blue Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: 19,667 is the record attendance for the modern Tynecastle (vs Hibs four years ago) but I can't see Hibs getting the whole stand again any time soon Given that we first had Chris Robinson telling us that staying at Tynecastle was impossible and then Vlad saying that he would be spending lots of money on infrastructure if only the council would allow him there's a few decades of rumours, half truths, lies and actual facts surrounding the obstacles that stood in the way of stadium redevelopment so it's hard to get a clear picture One persistent story, which has at least some truth to it, is that the health and safety implications of the distillery storing huge tanks of ethanol next door limits what we could do. A detail that's harder to confirm, but I think is plausible is the commonly held belief that the distillery could move things around but we would have to pay the not insignificant costs If we were in a position to go for a big expansion (like another deck on the Wheatfield) then that additional cost might be worthwhile but to have done that in order to have one more seat than Hibs or it would be a bit silly More to the point. While there's a case, with hindsight, to criticise the budge era board for a lack of ambition in terms of capacity at the time having been through a near death experience there weren't many people wanting to criticise financial caution And it wasn't just their decision. Federation members voted to delay taking ownership of the club in order to help fund the stand instead I'm absolutely sure that at the time of the main stand redevelopment, the Board/Federation would have preferred to create a larger (circa 25k seat) stadium knowing that demand would be exceeding capacity on many games with the ultimately selected design. I'm also equally sure that financial reality had to drive the final decision - given the recent club history there was just no option to risk the club's existence further. I'd also like to think that the Distillery probably would be amenable to accommodate any reasonable Wheatfield expansion request from Hearts - like all large businesses they will have Corporate Social Responsibility obligations to their neighbours these days. However, as @topcat(The most tip top) points out, they would not expect to be a penny out of pocket for accommodating (possible relocation of their process plant) any such request from Hearts. Hence the costs to Hearts would increase further. These constraints on future expansion are a real shame as fans of most clubs look forward to their visits to Tynecastle as the most atmospheric stadium north of the border, enhanced by its inner city location. I hope that a solution presents itself eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Theyellowbox said: I guess the above would work between the main and 'away' stand, but between the east and famous five stand, the single to double tier would cause an issue so would end up something like Norwich would have? Personally I think easter road would be immense with corners filled in where possible and would present less of a challenge than Tynecastle would have on expanding, but there surely isn't any need just yet? Out of interest, any idea of how many seats are 'lost' by having to have the two kinks in the stands due to the roads? You're correct: having rebuilt East as single large tier (really to save £ dressed up as "fans prefer single tier"), you can likely now fill in only south-west corner as 2 tier all the way round. Do that plus fill other corners on the lower tier only would add about 4,500. Of course Euro 2008 envisaged 3-tier 9,000 seat East Stand: which with 2 tier north-east corner would have squeaked over 30k! Edited October 10, 2023 by HibeeJibee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daydream Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 On 28/12/2022 at 01:29, Stylish Kid said: Aah I stand corrected. But Station Park is still amusingly far given its name..... the station closed in the 60s. There was goods line ran close to Station Park until the early 80s. The town has been totally rail free since! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flybhoy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 The old main stand at Brockville. Sat in it once, my uncle who passed away recently was a scout for Falkirk and took 14 year old me to a midweek game against Morton the home side won 2-1 in September 1990, been to Brockville many other times watching both Stirling Albion and Celtic as well as a few Falkirk games as a neutral but always on the terracing. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 That’s how I remember Main Stands looking as a boy in the 80’s. Muirton was very similar with the wooden seating above a paddock of terracing below. Not great with the pillars, but felt a lot more enclosed than most stands now, with the low roofs. Post-Bradford fire inquiry, only half the stand at Muirton was in use up until it turned into the fruit and veg aisle about 5 years later. Can’t remember the wooden stands at Brockville, Dens, Starks Park etc being similarly restricted. Can’t seem to find any pics online inside the Stand at Muirton 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, PauloPerth said: That’s how I remember Main Stands looking as a boy in the 80’s. Muirton was very similar with the wooden seating above a paddock of terracing below. Not great with the pillars, but felt a lot more enclosed than most stands now, with the low roofs. Post-Bradford fire inquiry, only half the stand at Muirton was in use up until it turned into the fruit and veg aisle about 5 years later. Can’t remember the wooden stands at Brockville, Dens, Starks Park etc being similarly restricted. Can’t seem to find any pics online inside the Stand at Muirton There are some wooden seats in the main stand at Starks Park, but the steps and tiers are concrete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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