Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 In Brexiteers are f*cking morons part 9.67x108 , we have Lord Digby Jones complaining that ending VISA free travel shockingly works both ways: What's he moaning about? At least his wife's relatives weren't charged for running away at Dunkirk. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 (edited) Is the Maybot not open now to accepting votes on 'alternatives' in January? ...Her deal still likely to tank at that stage, so the 'other' votes would presumably be another attempt at a VONC in the govt....Tories and DUP can still vote this down, so no GE, then there is 'no deal'....majority still likely to vote against, and finally...the 2nd Ref, which looks,at this stage, the most likely to pass the Commons. Obviously that would be in tandem with extending Article 50 for a few months to get a vote sorted out. This all assumes that May hasn't bought off enough of her own MPs and DUP for her own deal to pass by then (very unlikely). The polls are still pretty tight, reckon it could still go either way if there is a 2nd vote. Right wing media will trumpet lack of democracy and utopia of WTO rules, which will make it even tighter. Currently. SNP are playing a game of chicken. On the one hand they have to be seen to protect the 'best' interests of the country by calling for a VONC in the govt, and agitating for a 2nd Ref which means Scotland being able to stay in the customs union and single market. At the same time, if all that passes, effectively kills off any 2nd Scottish Ref for a long time. There is also no way that Nicola can call a Ref in any case for a while yet, as this whole mess has got a long way to run. Edited December 18, 2018 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Don't know why. The majority of the UK's trade is already outside Europe. Dosent seem to be many problems. The EU will be desperate to make a deal soon enough rather than lose £39 billion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jedi said: Is the Maybot not open now to accepting votes on 'alternatives' in January? The indicative voting idea got panned at the cabinet today. Corporate stooge Amber Rudd was the one pushing it. The government also released legal advice which said that if we were to have a referendum and pause A50 we would have to participate in the European elections which would be a good laugh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue-Toon Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports). The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has fallen over time from 55% in 2006 to 43% in 2016, increasing slightly to 44% in 2017. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 7 minutes ago, Blue-Toon said: In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports). The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has fallen over time from 55% in 2006 to 43% in 2016, increasing slightly to 44% in 2017. The reality is that, away from Europe and the EU... the future for Britain is to be the poodle of either China, or the US..., or both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 18, 2018 Author Share Posted December 18, 2018 What are the sojers going to do? I'm presently waiting at Cherbourg for a ferry. I've got Scottish and EU stickers on my car. Hope they don't shoot me. You don't need these stickers on your car 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports). The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has fallen over time from 55% in 2006 to 43% in 2016, increasing slightly to 44% in 2017.It was more the desperate to make a deal for the £39 billion bit.That works out as just 10% of the overall German tax revenues.It's fucking peanuts in the big picture of things.The nonsense that the rEU are going to lose out more than the UK is one of the most deluded pieces of shit uttered by Brexiters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 It was more the desperate to make a deal for the £39 billion bit.That works out as just 10% of the overall German tax revenues.It's fucking peanuts in the big picture of things.The nonsense that the rEU are going to lose out more than the UK is one of the most deluded pieces of shit uttered by Brexiters.The EU is not as stable or popular as people think though. They absolutely will be worried about the consequences of this goes badly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, pandarilla said: 28 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: It was more the desperate to make a deal for the £39 billion bit. That works out as just 10% of the overall German tax revenues. It's fucking peanuts in the big picture of things. The nonsense that the rEU are going to lose out more than the UK is one of the most deluded pieces of shit uttered by Brexiters. The EU is not as stable or popular as people think though. They absolutely will be worried about the consequences of this goes badly. [Citation Needed] 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Blue-Toon said: In 2017, UK exports to the EU were £274 billion (44% of all UK exports). UK imports from the EU were £341 billion (53% of all UK imports). The share of UK exports accounted for by the EU has fallen over time from 55% in 2006 to 43% in 2016, increasing slightly to 44% in 2017. What people forget is that EU exports to the UK amount to about 8% of their exports, Who do you think is most at risk from a hard Brexit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 12/17/2018 at 19:50, O'Kelly Isley III said: There's actually now a growing desire on my part to let them do their worst just to see the reaction of Little Britain as the horrors begin to unfold. Would be fun to watch for a short while. We'd still be living in the mess they created though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, pandarilla said: The EU is not as stable or popular as people think though. They absolutely will be worried about the consequences if this goes badly. Will they? Will they really? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) On 12/17/2018 at 21:15, Granny Danger said: Once again May has refused to say that her deal is better than staying in the EU. Yet she has the audacity to talk about the national interest. What sort of PM champions a proposal that leaves the country worse off? A pretty shit Tory one I suppose. Cameron (misguidedly) called the referendum to try and quell UKIP influence in his party. May continues to turn a blind eye to popular opinion and doggedly perseveres to get her deal through. The whole thing is about self-preservation of the Tory party. I don't think the long term interests of the country count for much with them. Edited December 19, 2018 by oldbitterandgrumpy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: A pretty shit Tory one I suppose. Cameron (misguidedly) called the referendum to try and quell UKIP influence in his party. May continues to turn a blind eye to popular opinion and doggedly perseveres to get her deal through. The whole thing is about self-preservation of the Tory party. I don't think the long term interests of the country count for much with them. You are pretty-much right there. The plebiscites in 2014 and 2016 were both designed to quell two sets of mouth-breathing idiots. The 2014 one worked but we're still living with the 2016 one. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: You are pretty-much right there. The plebiscites in 2014 and 2016 were both designed to quell two sets of mouth-breathing idiots. The 2014 one worked but we're still living with the 2016 one. There was a referendum in 2014. I'll agree with you there. What's it got to do with Brexit? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 The EU is not as stable or popular as people think though. They absolutely will be worried about the consequences of this goes badly. Sure they will, but they can take comfort in the fact that they acted with honesty, clarity and probity and made themselves available at every opportunity.It's hardly the EU's fault that they've had an aggressive, drunken driver bearing down on them in an out of control juggernaut.Why are you trying to justify this utter madness ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Sure they will, but they can take comfort in the fact that they acted with honesty, clarity and probity and made themselves available at every opportunity.It's hardly the EU's fault that they've had an aggressive, drunken driver bearing down on them in an out of control juggernaut.Why are you trying to justify this utter madness ?Because I don't like the EU. And this place gets a bit too much like an echo chamber sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 5 hours ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: There was a referendum in 2014. I'll agree with you there. What's it got to do with Brexit? Nothing other than him being an ageing bigot desperately seeking attention with a doubtless drink-fuelled post at 2am-ish on a midweek morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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