NotThePars Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lib dems will surge from 7% to 8% tbh. Not even being anti-brexit can redeem them in the eyes of the public.They don’t have anything else to offer outside of opposing Brexit and they even fucked that up this year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said: Their vote might "surge" but would that translate into seats? If you believe a Hard Brexit is possible then there would be a move from the Tories to other parties and/or abstentions. That would be enough to cause the Tories to lose seats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Rubin Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 If May's half-way house brexit manages to pull through parliament then it's perfectly possible we'll see England split on nationalistic grounds like Scotland did in 2015. UKIP + Tommy Robinson pulling in 30% of the electorate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Their vote might "surge" but would that translate into seats? Hope not. I was a long time LD voter till I saw how they behaved in power. They haven't in any way redeemed themselves since then. And the fact that their former leader is now the PR man for Facebook says it all. Edited December 22, 2018 by beefybake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 hours ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 2 hours ago, Fullerene said: So Jeremy Corbyn says Brexit will still happen even if Labour wins a snap election. He is happy to do what the Labour members want - provided they want what he wants. Great. Still going off a cliff but maybe we get to choose a different cliff. Corbyn would love a hard Brexit. I am not sure. I think he would just like to get Brexit out of the way so we can talk about more important things. Probably sees himself following in the footsteps of Clement Attlee who wanted to get the Second World War out of the way for similar reasons.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Hmm. I’m unsure why people are suspicious of the People’s Vote lot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Hmm. I’m unsure why people are suspicious of the People’s Vote lot. I think we need a bit of context here; for a start, which publication or website did this appear in ? Secondly, the writer cleverly intersperses direct quotes from Global whatever with his own assertions in order to have it appear as a policy statement or press release, which it patently is not.I don't therefore think it reflects very much at all on anyone advocating a Peoples Vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: I think we need a bit of context here; for a start, which publication or website did this appear in ? Secondly, the writer cleverly intersperses direct quotes from Global whatever with his own assertions in order to have it appear as a policy statement or press release, which it patently is not. I don't therefore think it reflects very much at all on anyone advocating a Peoples Vote. I agree but the "Peoples Vote" is the worst branding in history. The stench of Blair is overwhelming and Mandelson getting involved doesn't help. Edited December 22, 2018 by welshbairn 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 9 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: This I think. She was a Remainer, I think she'd be quite happy if we stayed. That's assuming a second referendum went the "right" way, of course... It was a bit of a surprise when May backed REMAIN as she had been considered to be on the LEAVE side and was even considered as a possible leader of the LEAVE campaign, She was pretty low profile during the campaign itself making only one speech IIRC - clearly positioning herself for a potential leadership challenge in the aftermath every bit as much as BoJo. Well she got what she wanted although she may (sic) wish that she hadn't now! Quote Theresa May gets Nigel Farage backing to lead EU out campaign Ukip leader says he would be delighted if home secretary headed campaign to leave union, as she refuses to rule out backing it https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/01/theresa-may-leadership-eu-out-campaign 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I agree but the "Peoples Vote" is the worst branding in history. The stench of Blair is overwhelming and Mandelson getting involved doesn't help. Aye, at a time when the country needs a robust Labour opposition we are cursed with yesterday's men in one corner and nobody's idea of future man in the other.Even in Scotland we have the same setup, only it is The Great Clunking Fud and Def Leonard up here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 I'm a big fan of doing the opposite of what Pete Mandelson does tbqh -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 (edited) Corbyn really is intent on blasting the ball into his own net as often as possible. His attempt to rule out a 2nd Ref from Lab's point of view is presumably designed to simply appease Leavers, whom he hopes to court at the next GE. It shows a complete lack of leadership though. His chat about 'I would go to Brussels and negotiate a better deal before March' utter nonsense, as a) there won't be a GE before then as the Tories won't vote themselves down with a VONC, and b) even if that could happen the Tories would still win the election as he is Labour leader. He knows full well that Lab will vote down May's deal, and what is left then? Support for a no deal? Why would enough Labour MP's ever do that? So, only remaining option a 2nd Ref. If he ends up blocking that from his side...no deal it is, and he and Labour will be just as culpable as the Tories if that happens. On the subject of the Lib Dems...agree that their support won't change much between now and the next GE. If only in 2010 they had stayed out of coalition with the Tories, and gone for a confidence and supply deal instead, whereby they weren't still tainted as the Tories lap dogs, they could have been in a great position (in England anyway) now. Almost forget that they even still exist. Edited December 22, 2018 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Great to hear Joanna Cherry really put that jumped up, 19th century upstart Rees Mogg completely in his place here in Radio 4's Any Questions. Made me feel proud to be Scottish : https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06wch9v Scroll up to 39.30 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckinthecarpark Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 10 hours ago, Billy Rubin said: If May's half-way house brexit manages to pull through parliament then it's perfectly possible we'll see England split on nationalistic grounds like Scotland did in 2015. UKIP + Tommy Robinson pulling in 30% of the electorate? I voted stay in EU originally, stupidly. I voted for Scotland to leave UK Stupidly. After everything the snowflakes have been crying about i want a UK and i want us to leave EU and i want strong links with Trumps vision of how a country can thrive, and i want the SNP to f**k off and stop telling us what to do. Tommy Robinson simply has been showing how stupid the electorate has been, myself included on various issues and the way the far left has gone, The crazy left is here as you will see after this comment using 'nazi' or 'racist' as some slur. it is insane and it saddens me this site that used to be quite good fun is policed by such a bunch of bigoted bunch of idiots. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Just now, stuckinthecarpark said: I voted stay in EU originally, stupidly. I voted for Scotland to leave UK Stupidly. After everything the snowflakes have been crying about i want a UK and i want us to leave EU and i want strong links with Trumps vision of how a country can thrive, and i want the SNP to f**k off and stop telling us what to do. Tommy Robinson simply has been showing how stupid the electorate has been, myself included on various issues and the way the far left has gone, The crazy left is here as you will see after this comment using 'nazi' or 'racist' as some slur. it is insane and it saddens me this site that used to be quite good fun is policed by such a bunch of bigoted bunch of idiots. Fuckin tell them mate. LEAVE MEANS LEAVE. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, stuckinthecarpark said: I voted stay in EU originally, stupidly. I voted for Scotland to leave UK Stupidly. After everything the snowflakes have been crying about i want a UK and i want us to leave EU and i want strong links with Trumps vision of how a country can thrive, and i want the SNP to f**k off and stop telling us what to do. Tommy Robinson simply has been showing how stupid the electorate has been, myself included on various issues and the way the far left has gone, The crazy left is here as you will see after this comment using 'nazi' or 'racist' as some slur. it is insane and it saddens me this site that used to be quite good fun is policed by such a bunch of bigoted bunch of idiots. Yes. You are special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuckinthecarpark Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Yes. You are special. anything original? the p+b from 10 years ago wants its reply back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 And we have a new head's gone contender 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, stuckinthecarpark said: anything original? the p+b from 10 years ago wants its reply back ^^^^^^^^^ seething 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Who's tedious alias is this latest sad piece of shit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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