Jacksgranda Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Labour change their "principles" on a day to day basis depending on the situation. Sinn Fein have always stood by the same set of principles. There is no comparison tbh. They changed their mind on the EU. They changed their mind on entering the Dail. They changed their mind on supporting the police. They changed their mind on abortion. They changed their mind on entering Stormont. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Sinn Fein want a chaotic hard brexit that they can blame on the DUP, and force a border poll. They're attitude isn't much different from Corbyn's. I accept that interpretation but think it’s unfair to lump them in with Corbyn. It’s a reasonable political stance from their perspective but very dangerous. As Jacksgranda implies their policy will continue to be their policy until it changes. Given their raison d’etre they might not change on this as it might be seen as bolstering support for unification but if it goes tits up they will have to accept their share of the blame. Going back to my original point the ONLY NI perspective we are hearing on this is the Unionist one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: They changed their mind on the EU. They changed their mind on entering the Dail. They changed their mind on supporting the police. They changed their mind on abortion. They changed their mind on entering Stormont. That's a lot over the space of only 4-5 decades. They should take a leaf out of Labours book and change their mind on them everyday. Or failing that, they should just sit on the fence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: That's a lot over the space of only 4-5 decades. They should take a leaf out of Labours book and change their mind on them everyday. Or failing that, they should just sit on the fence. So they have ditched their principles. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I accept that interpretation but think it’s unfair to lump them in with Corbyn. It’s a reasonable political stance from their perspective but very dangerous. As Jacksgranda implies their policy will continue to be their policy until it changes. Given their raison d’etre they might not change on this as it might be seen as bolstering support for unification but if it goes tits up they will have to accept their share of the blame. Going back to my original point the ONLY NI perspective we are hearing on this is the Unionist one. You must be listening to different news broadcasts from the ones I hear - any discussion about Brexit that I hear Sinn Fein are prominentin putting their position. Same with news site - Sinn Fein are always reported. Same with newspapers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said: So they have ditched their principles. You are confusing policy with principle. They have changed policy over the years as all parties do. But not turning up at Westminster isn't a party policy, it's something they do on principle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: You must be listening to different news broadcasts from the ones I hear - any discussion about Brexit that I hear Sinn Fein are prominentin putting their position. Same with news site - Sinn Fein are always reported. Same with newspapers. Over here all you hear is the DUP. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 So was not going to the Dail and Stormont. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Rubin Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) What's happening at Stormont these days? The power sharing arrangement came to a halt about 18 months ago and NI decisions are being taken from England? Absolutely zero interest in bigot land. Edited January 28, 2019 by Billy Rubin 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 16 minutes ago, Billy Rubin said: What's happening at Stormont these days? The power sharing arrangement came to a halt about 18 months ago and NI decisions are being taken from England? Absolutely zero interest in bigot land. Why ask the question(s) if you've no interest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 53 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Sinn Fein want a chaotic hard brexit that they can blame on the DUP, and force a border poll. They're attitude isn't much different from Corbyn's. Like SNP and Indyref2. You can do your bit. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/229963 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 32 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: the ONLY NI perspective we are hearing on this is the Unionist one. 21 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Over here all you hear is the DUP. Here's a report on a "no unionists are welcome" conference held in Belfast at the weekend. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-47014835 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 So new backstop agreement week.The tories and dup will vote it through.The Eu will say "nope never agreed to that"Tories blame the eu and we crash out on the 29th of March with no deal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, doulikefish said: So new backstop agreement week.The tories and dup will vote it through.The Eu will say "nope never agreed to that"Tories blame the eu and we crash out on the 29th of March with no deal Agree with the rest but that last bit will not happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) I really don't know what to make of Mayduro's position right now. Like an Antarctic explorer of 100 years ago who knows the mission is ultimately doomed she ploughs doggedly on for no obvious reason other than, well, she's British. Surely she must know that the EU will not concede on the Irish backstop, so is she hoping that some (desperately hoped-for on her part) semantic gymnastics in the text of the Withdrawal Agreement will placate the lunatics ? I wouldn't bet on that, either way. Maybe more likely, she is crudely stalling it out for a Mexican standoff with these bams to try and force thro her deal, again a very high-risk strategy. I'd like to think that the biggest climbdown in British politics since Suez is the only realistic outcome in all of this, and those red lines will eventually have to move. Edited January 28, 2019 by O'Kelly Isley III 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambomo Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: crudely stalling it out for a Mexican standoff with these bams to try and force thro her deal, again a very high-risk strategy. I'd like to think that the biggest climbdown in British politics since Suez is the only realistic outcome in all of this, and those red lines will eventually have to move. Sadly I think it might be the opposite, that those opposing the deal will be so scared of a no-deal brexit that they agree to May's awful deal as the least worst outcome. May looks to be stalling and isn't really trying to change anything - everything now is just theater, talks with opposition, calling out the EU in saying the deal had to change, she knows none of this will happen because she hasn't changed her position at all, but she wants to make it look like shes tried. I begin to think that she really is angling for a no-deal brexit, though as her biggest backers - big business and corporate sector clearly hate the idea, I can't really understand why. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 She wouldn't have appointed so many remainers to top Cabinet jobs if she was willing to allow a hard brexit. On the other hand she'll break up the Tory party if she softens her red lines to get something close to a customs union with cross party support. I think either ERG and the DUP will cave, and the Tory remainers, to get her deal through, or she'll call a general election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: She wouldn't have appointed so many remainers to top Cabinet jobs if she was willing to allow a hard brexit. On the other hand she'll break up the Tory party if she softens her red lines to get something close to a customs union with cross party support. I think either ERG and the DUP will cave, and the Tory remainers, to get her deal through, or she'll call a general election. You have to have some grudging respect for the Tory party, who aren't so much a party in the traditional sense, but more a coalition of evil c***s who have so often been willing to put their hatred of each other to the side to concentrate on their shared hatred of the poor. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 You have to have some grudging respect for the Tory party, who aren't so much a party in the traditional sense, but more a coalition of evil c***s who have so often been willing to put their hatred of each other to the side to concentrate on their shared hatred of the poor.You'd think it would be exhausting being hateful, evil c***s all the time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: She wouldn't have appointed so many remainers to top Cabinet jobs if she was willing to allow a hard brexit. On the other hand she'll break up the Tory party if she softens her red lines to get something close to a customs union with cross party support. I think either ERG and the DUP will cave, and the Tory remainers, to get her deal through, or she'll call a general election. I wonder if May could call an election without the support of the Tory Party. Anyway we have gone from ‘the easiest negotiation ever’ to preparation for martial law. I reckon it’s gone wrong somewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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