Colkitto Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: If it came to the crunch I think there would be more support in Parliament for a second referendum rather than straightforward revocation. I also can’t understand why the Hard Brexiteers are so opposed to a second referendum if they genuinely believe the have the backing of the majority of people. Surely it’s better passing the buck to the public than accepting the blame when it goes pear shaped. I was just wondering if May will take it down to the wire in her political poker game with the EU. Take it as far as she can to see if they blink first. I personally don't believe they will and we'll head to a no deal Brexit. Then we'll see if that was the game all along or if she concedes and revokes Article 50. My own opinion is we're heading for a no deal... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: The EU does do a fair bit of eleventh hour deal brokering so we'll see. Yip, that's what she's counting on 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 It was always going to be a farce, as it wasn't meant to happen and the powers that be don't want it to. If it does happen it will be used to dismantle the NHS and cause so much chaos that we'll rejoin on condition we accept the Euro as our currency. It's a global elite that pulls the strings, and the last thing they want is a return to national sovereignty, tariffs and all the other impediments to their global agenda. Entirely speculative of course, but that's my take on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Colkitto said: I was just wondering if May will take it down to the wire in her political poker game with the EU. Take it as far as she can to see if they blink first. I personally don't believe they will and we'll head to a no deal Brexit. Then we'll see if that was the game all along or if she concedes and revokes Article 50. My own opinion is we're heading for a no deal... Of course, leaving without a deal doesn't mean that we won't ever have a deal. I wonder if the EU are thinking they might let us crash out without a deal and then come back in a few months with our tail between our legs willing to negotiate something much more favourable to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Difficult bit is whatever the deal is needs to be ratified by parliament & nobody has the numbers. I'm not sure MPs will appreciate being pressure cooked into voting for whatever she gets. She has to basically simultaneously bluff her own backbenchers into thinking the alternative is no Brexit at all whilst bluffing Labour into thinking the alternative is a no deal Brexit. Only then will she accumulate enough votes to win this deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 The EU does do a fair bit of eleventh hour deal brokering so we'll see.Why should they ? Sure, they would feel the effects of No Deal but not as deeply as the UK, and this country going to Hell in a handcart would be a cautionary example to every other EU member state. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: 25 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: The EU does do a fair bit of eleventh hour deal brokering so we'll see. Why should they ? Sure, they would feel the effects of No Deal but not as deeply as the UK, and this country going to Hell in a handcart would be a cautionary example to every other EU member state. Totally agree with this, although I think the United Kingdom could do well outside of the EU, it will never be allowed to happen. So yes, a cautionary example sounds right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 45 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: If we do crash out I suppose the international reappraisal of UK's place in the world will ultimately be a good thing for the country psychologically. I'd rather be in the position of reflecting on that having happened a number of years ago than going through the hardship itself mind. For the Leavers, who are in constant denial about the UK's place in the world, there will be no need for reappraisal. The 'head in the sand' approach to Brexit means constantly deflecting blame for this self harm to Brussels. Brutal reality check heading towards Middle England very soon. Might even be entertaining. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 5 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: 24 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: The EU does do a fair bit of eleventh hour deal brokering so we'll see. Why should they ? Sure, they would feel the effects of No Deal but not as deeply as the UK, and this country going to Hell in a handcart would be a cautionary example to every other EU member state. It would mean them having to either force Eire to impose border controls with the North, having checks on movements from Eire to the EU, or endangering the single market. I think they'll do whatever is needed to get a deal signed, or an extension of A50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Donathan said: Of course, leaving without a deal doesn't mean that we won't ever have a deal. I wonder if the EU are thinking they might let us crash out without a deal and then come back in a few months with our tail between our legs willing to negotiate something much more favourable to them. But you would still need a withdrawal agreement. If you don't then you leave the EU on the 29th March. If you realise it's the wrong thing you would have to rejoin the EU again. Rather than go back to negotiations Edited February 8, 2019 by Colkitto 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 58 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: The EU does do a fair bit of eleventh hour deal brokering so we'll see. Give some examples. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Give some examples. And don’t forget to show your workings, what is this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_&_T Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Give some examples. The Greek financial crisis, if I remember correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 "The Taliban of the North" is by far the best and stupidest thing posted in this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Give some examples. Canada. Lisbon treaty when Ireland voted no in their first referendum and got concessions to pass a 2nd one. And Maastricht to get the Danes through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: *sigh* https://euobserver.com/pl2011/32411 https://www.ft.com/content/cdb66522-2519-11e1-8bf9-00144feabdc0 https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/europe/04europe.html https://www.economist.com/europe/2010/05/20/zapateros-cuts and so on. 13 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Canada. Lisbon treaty when Ireland voted no in their first referendum and got concessions to pass a 2nd one. And Maastricht to get the Danes through. But apart from those... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Good to see the BBC News highlighting that while Foster is pontificating (or whatever the staunch equivalent is) about Brexit, she is still not doing the job she was elected to at Stormont. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 36 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: *sigh* https://euobserver.com/pl2011/32411 https://www.ft.com/content/cdb66522-2519-11e1-8bf9-00144feabdc0 https://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/world/europe/04europe.html https://www.economist.com/europe/2010/05/20/zapateros-cuts and so on. So based on that you think the EU will capitulate on the backstop at the last minute? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: Good to see the BBC News highlighting that while Foster is pontificating (or whatever the staunch equivalent is) about Brexit, she is still not doing the job she was elected to at Stormont. She can't do the job she was elected to at Stormont because Sinn Fein won't form an Executive. All the other parties are willing to form an Executive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: She can't do the job she was elected to at Stormont because Sinn Fein won't form an Executive. All the other parties are willing to form an Executive. Remind us their reason for this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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