Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Jacksgranda]

25 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

You'll have polling numbers to back that up, right?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34725746

[Baxter Parp]

1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34725746

In the Republic of Ireland, the 66% backing a united Ireland in their lifetime increased to 73% if it meant paying less tax, but fell back dramatically to 31% if it meant more tax.

That's a big if.

[Crùbag]

14 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I refer you to the Venerable Bede.

Recent evidence, as discussed by Dr Fiona Watson on Scotland's History, shows no evidence for invasion of Scots from Ireland. Arceological evidence suggests the Scots have been here for around 500 years longer than previously thought - possibly settling Argyll at same time as Ireland. Add to that our Pictish DNA - strongly extant in the Gaels of Skye apparently - then I'm at a loss how you can compare British colonisation of the Malvinas with Scotland as nation.

As to these islands, it appears the French were the first to set up a colony there. I'm not really bothered  by colonial bullies like the UK, Spain or France scrabbling for some lumps of rock that lie nowhere near their own waters but in the modern context, it seems fair to give Argentina some kind of ownership. However, as I said above, I'd imagine the Argies are happy owning the seas while our flag-waving Brits can have their rocks and sheep. Win-win?

[Jacksgranda]

17 hours ago, Baxter Parp said:

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/majority-in-the-republic-would-back-irish-reunification-poll-1-7501305

Two out of three people in the Irish Republic would vote for a united Ireland, a major opinion poll has found.

 

16 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

Two out of three don't want to pay for it, though.

 

48 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

You'll have polling numbers to back that up, right?

 

22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-34725746

 

17 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said:

In the Republic of Ireland, the 66% backing a united Ireland in their lifetime increased to 73% if it meant paying less tax, but fell back dramatically to 31% if it meant more tax.

That's a big if.

It's a certain "if".

[welshbairn]

1 hour ago, Crùbag said:

As to these islands, it appears the French were the first to set up a colony there. I'm not really bothered  by colonial bullies like the UK, Spain or France scrabbling for some lumps of rock that lie nowhere near their own waters but in the modern context, it seems fair to give Argentina some kind of ownership. However, as I said above, I'd imagine the Argies are happy owning the seas while our flag-waving Brits can have their rocks and sheep. Win-win?

At the nearest point the Falkands are 300 miles away from Argentina. Argentina have never had any presence on the islands apart from briefly in 1982. WTF should Argentina be given any type of ownership?

P.S. The 300 miles is from Patagonia which Argentina didn't succeed in fully colonising until the 20th century. The accepted distance is over a thousand miles. 

Edited December 29, 2016 by welshbairn

[Baxter Parp]

22 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said:

It's a certain "if".

Don't be silly it doesn't even quantify how much more they'd have to pay.  It's uncertain at best.

[hehawhehaw]

39 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

At the nearest point the Falkands are 300 miles away from Argentina. Argentina have never had any presence on the islands apart from briefly in 1982. WTF should Argentina be given any type of ownership?

Don't expect a plusible answer from crumbag.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/mahmood-naji/falklands-debunking-argentine-claims_b_2862718.html

[Baxter Parp]

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-referendum-today-vote-remain-leave-eu-europe-study-shows-regrexit-7499991

Every country surveyed would now vote Remain in an EU referendum... Including Britain

[Crùbag]

2 hours ago, welshbairn said:

At the nearest point the Falkands are 300 miles away from Argentina. Argentina have never had any presence on the islands apart from briefly in 1982. WTF should Argentina be given any type of ownership?

P.S. The 300 miles is from Patagonia which Argentina didn't succeed in fully colonising until the 20th century. The accepted distance is over a thousand miles. 

How close is auld Blighty?

On the other hand, why should we maintain a Brit presence on these rocks when the real asset of the ocean around them has been acknowledged as Argentinian by the UN? We have plenty of sheep of our own so why waste our scant finances on maintaining what's left of our empire?

If the Argies have any sense they'll leave matters as they are - they reap the benefits of their vast maritime resource while bankrupt Britain's mammoth debt is added to by financing a wee colony of Brits on the other side of the world.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/majority-in-the-republic-would-back-irish-reunification-poll-1-7501305
Two out of three people in the Irish Republic would vote for a united Ireland, a major opinion poll has found.

The politicians in the Republic are what matter though - and they are not exactly falling over themselves to campaign for a United Ireland.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

So it's OK for the Spanish to own the rock but not Brits?  Why?  I know you don't think the Brits should get it because they captured and had it signed over to them (which was the exact same way the United Crowns of Castile and Aragon got hold of Gibraltar) so what Spain's other claim that out do's the British/Gibraltan claim?   
Spain actually held Gibraltar for less time than those nasty Brits.  
The Falklands have even less links to Argentina

Not to mention the Treaties of Utrecht, of Seville, and of Paris.

[Baxter Parp]

On ‎28‎/‎12‎/‎2016 at 11:19, Baxter Parp said:

State to seek automatic EU entry for NI in event of unification

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-to-seek-automatic-eu-entry-for-ni-in-event-of-unification-1.2918722

Shots fired.

 

5 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said:

The politicians in the Republic are what matter though - and they are not exactly falling over themselves to campaign for a United Ireland.

Looks like they're preparing for it though.  Bit odd.

[kirkyblue2]

1 hour ago, Baxter Parp said:

https://www.indy100.com/article/brexit-referendum-today-vote-remain-leave-eu-europe-study-shows-regrexit-7499991

Every country surveyed would now vote Remain in an EU referendum... Including Britain

Give them all a referendum and we will see.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Pep Pizza making a complete arse of himself again I see.

[welshbairn]

14 minutes ago, Crùbag said:

How close is auld Blighty?

On the other hand, why should we maintain a Brit presence on these rocks when the real asset of the ocean around them has been acknowledged as Argentinian by the UN? We have plenty of sheep of our own so why waste our scant finances on maintaining what's left of our empire?

If the Argies have any sense they'll leave matters as they are - they reap the benefits of their vast maritime resource while bankrupt Britain's mammoth debt is added to by financing a wee colony of Brits on the other side of the world.

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The UN commission itself pointed to its previous ruling that its advice does not apply if there is an unresolved territorial dispute such as between Argentina and Britain over the islands.

It's not about British rule, it's about a people's right not to be handed over to another power without their consent. If the supporting power was any other than British you wouldn't be contesting that right.

[Peppino Impastato]

If the UK wasn't the colonialist here and it was france you'd have the same opinion as every other person on the plant who isn't British.   It's you that's blinded by nationality here.  

Colonialism is obviously wrong,  this is obviously colonialism.   If the 3000 British people we have moved there in order to claim the islands and oil are so desperate to be british they can move to Britain.   It should obviously be argentinian,  the un agrees.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Peppino Impastato

[welshbairn]

If it was the Portuguese who had settled there and didn't want to be handed over to Argentina you would be defending their right to self determination as prescribed by the UN specifically for colonised territories. Argentinian colonisation reached only as far as Patagonia where they merrily slaughtered the locals and fought with Chile for the scraps. It's not the Falkland Islanders fault that they were the only people to successfully settle on the islands and make a go of it.

Edited December 29, 2016 by welshbairn

[WILLIEA]

8 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

 Argentinian colonisation reached only as far as Patagonia where they merrily slaughtered the locals and fought with Chile for the scraps. It's not the Falkland Islanders fault that they were the only people to successfully settle on the islands and make a go of it.

Indeed the ironic stupidity of not considering Argentina or any of the new world countries as colonialists is quite breathtaking 

[welshbairn]

Here's a map showing the extent of the self declared independent Argentina in 1833 when the Falkland Islanders arrived. It is obvious there was no natural connection between what was essentially a City State of Buenos Aires and the Falklands.

[Peppino Impastato]

There are no Falkland islanders,  there are British people we moved there.   Obviously Argentina was, originally a colonialist country but this dispute is about its own accepted territory which we continue to violate as we want to steal their natural resources which is a very British thing to, do.  It's indefensible,  and the conduct of our government should shame all of us.

 

exceptyou lot it apparently doesn't cause you love a, good colony as long as it's British.