Brexit slowly becoming a Farce.

[Dan Steele]

Taking back control. And language, it seems.

THE final exit of the UK from the EU will have one other consequence apart from increased bureaucracy and confusion – the end of English as the official European language.

Every member state has the right to choose the language in which they want any translations, and according to European and Scottish affairs correspondent Udo Seiwert-Fauti, Malta has chosen Maltese, Cyprus opted for Greek and the Republic of Ireland has chosen Gaelic.

[coprolite]

3 minutes ago, Gus Setsniffer said:

https://wearetheenglish.com/i-want-my-country-back-england-badge---blue-20333-p.asp

Loving the st George (Palestinian chap), medieval knight (French chaps, with Scandi origins) and lion (not native to Britain in last 50,000 years) fetish.   

Disappointing lack of spitfires and poppies on the pages i saw. I don't think they're patriotic enough. 

[ICTJohnboy]

1 hour ago, John Lambies Doos said:

Starmer is dreadful

 

Utterly useless.

Corbyn could even have done better.

[Gaz]

Corbyn could have just said that he opposed Brexit and wanted another vote and he'd have been pretty much guaranteed a 40% share of the vote.

Instead the doddery old c**t spent three years trying to win back the vote of some racists from Middlesbrough and effectively ended Labour as a credible opposition, giving the UK free reign to lurch further and further to the right.

The Wee Nippy brigade will keep us shackled to this utter farce of a one-party nation for the foreseeable future.

It's a good laugh, isn't it?

[John Lambies Doos]

https://wearetheenglish.com/i-want-my-country-back-england-badge---blue-20333-p.asp

One of the actual quotes they are celebrating [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Jacksgranda]

26 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

Utterly useless.

Corbyn could even have done better.

Steady on...

[G51]

15 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Corbyn could have just said that he opposed Brexit and wanted another vote and he'd have been pretty much guaranteed a 40% share of the vote.

Instead the doddery old c**t spent three years trying to win back the vote of some racists from Middlesbrough and effectively ended Labour as a credible opposition, giving the UK free reign to lurch further and further to the right.

The Wee Nippy brigade will keep us shackled to this utter farce of a one-party nation for the foreseeable future.

It's a good laugh, isn't it?

Corbyn literally did this before the 2019 election and it was the primary reason why Labour lost so many votes. Every single credible analysis of the 2019 election points to this.

There simply weren't enough Remainers for the numbers to work. Backing Remain was a huge tactical error that cost Labour the election.

So now you have Starmer, a guy who pushed like f*ck for backing Remain, now effectively conceding the cause because he realises it's not a votewinner.

Remind me who the populists are?

[Academically Deficient]

He's back!! 

Where's he been??

Anyway, he's declared victory in Brexit. And has declared the "Battle for the Union" has begun.

[ICTJohnboy]

I'm watching the debate on catch up - about 1 hour behind. 

Blackford's speech was absolutely superb - continually challenging Boris to respond which he of course declined.

This must be his best ever performance since he became SNP leader at WM.

Independence here we come!

[Fullerene]

43 minutes ago, Gaz said:

Corbyn could have just said that he opposed Brexit and wanted another vote and he'd have been pretty much guaranteed a 40% share of the vote.

Instead the doddery old c**t spent three years trying to win back the vote of some racists from Middlesbrough and effectively ended Labour as a credible opposition, giving the UK free reign to lurch further and further to the right.

I think Corbyn was always fearful of any accusation of betrayal.  There were plenty of people around him who love words like treachery, traitor, sell out and so on.  If you ever thought the EU was a bad idea then you should still think so now.  In fact you should never change your mind on anything.  Dogmatism at its worst.

That meant he was either very muddled or felt compromised when the EU referendum took place in 2016.  Maybe he had hoped Remain would win without him having to express his opinion too strongly to anyone.

In 2019 it got too much.  If Labour thought a second referendum was absolutely necessary then why had they not campaign better in 2016?

It seemed yet another example of dither, delay and indecision.  Not ideal for someone who wanted to be Prime Minister.

[Guest Jedi]

Well at least the Scottish Tories will have increases their policies for May's election from one (stop Indy Ref 2), to two...Stop Indy Ref 2, and er, level up! A one page manifesto awaits again.

[NotThePars]

35 minutes ago, G51 said:

Corbyn literally did this before the 2019 election and it was the primary reason why Labour lost so many votes. Every single credible analysis of the 2019 election points to this.

There simply weren't enough Remainers for the numbers to work. Backing Remain was a huge tactical error that cost Labour the election.

So now you have Starmer, a guy who pushed like f*ck for backing Remain, now effectively conceding the cause because he realises it's not a votewinner.

Remind me who the populists are?

Yep. Virtually every credible analysis points to Labour losing its Leavers while Tories retained its Remainers. As virtually everyone who wasn't blinded by FBPE brain had predicted would happen. 

[Academically Deficient]

3 minutes ago, Jedi said:

Well at least the Scottish Tories will have increases their policies for May's election from one (stop Indy Ref 2), to two...Stop Indy Ref 2, and er, level up! A one page manifesto awaits again.

Not one of them had the nerve to show up in Parliament. 

[welshbairn]

1 minute ago, Fullerene said:

I think Corbyn was always fearful of any accusation of betrayal.  There were plenty of people around him who love words like treachery, traitor, sell out and so on.  If you ever thought the EU was a bad idea then you should still think so now.  In fact you should never change your mind on anything.  Dogmatism at its worst.

That meant he was either very muddled or felt compromised when the EU referendum took place in 2016.  Maybe he had hoped Remain would win without him having to express his opinion too strongly to anyone.

In 2019 it got too much.  If Labour thought a second referendum was absolutely necessary then why had they not campaign better in 2016?

It seemed yet another example of dither, delay and indecision.  Not ideal for someone who wanted to be Prime Minister.

Corbyn had a huge conflict because he passionately believed in Brexit but he led a parliamentary party that was overwhelmingly Remain. That's what fucked the whole thing. 

[LongTimeLurker]

35 minutes ago, G51 said:

Corbyn literally did this before the 2019 election and it was the primary reason why Labour lost so many votes...

The anti-Leave parties needed to do an electoral deal so it was a straight Remain vs Leave contest in each constituency otherwise the side that was less split electorally was likely to win in an election defined by Brexit. Unity government long enough to get Brexit completely reversed or EEA status achieved then hold another election once that was out the way. Jo Swinson and Nicola Sturgeon were way too eager to have an election for narrow party political advantage (the one that sounds like Lulu delusionally and with a well-deserved outcome on a personal level, and the other very cynically but with good reason) when there was zero chance of that happening and every chance that the Brexit Party was going to do what they ultimately did as they were only in it to secure Leave.

[NotThePars]

24 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Corbyn had a huge conflict because he passionately believed in Brexit but he led a parliamentary party that was overwhelmingly Remain. That's what fucked the whole thing. 

He far outstripped Alan Johnson in the number of media appearances on behalf of Remain lol despite Johnson being the supposed arch-Remainer and leader of the Labour In campaign.

His 7/10 rating of the EU might've pissed off the hardcore FBPErs who write European on their application forms but it was something that might've spoken to folk with justifiable scepticism of the EU project more than Alan Johnson's EUphoric bollocks and David Cameron's Project Fear.

It's ultimately a moot point, however, as the Labour campaigns were a peripheral feature of the entire referendum and its trajectory because the governing party and all their hangers on ensured it remained, as John McDonnell put it, the "gang warfare of the Eton playing fields" dragging the country into the "intellectual gutter".

Edited December 30, 2020 by NotThePars

[G51]

2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

The anti-Leave parties needed to do an electoral deal so it was a straight Remain vs Leave contest in each constituency otherwise the side that was less split electorally was likely to win in an election defined by Brexit. Unity government long enough to get Brexit completely reversed or EEA status achieved then hold another election once that was out the way. Jo Swinson and Nicola Sturgeon were way too eager to have an election for narrow party political advantage (the one that sounds like Lulu delusionally and with a well-deserved outcome on a personal level, and the other very cynically but with good reason) when there was zero chance of that happening and every chance that the Brexit Party was going to do what they ultimately did as they were only in it to secure Leave.

If you turned it into a straight Remain vs Leave contest, you'd have gotten the same outcome as the 2016 referendum. Remain would have been whooped.

There was a compromise position available to Remainers when the indicative votes were being held - a Brexit so soft it barely counted as Brexit at all. But this wasn't acceptable to the fanatics, who could only accept some kind of annulment or reversal of 2016.

This was by far the best opportunity to avoid ending up where the UK is now, and Remainers rejected it.

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

He far outstripped Alan Johnson in the number of media appearances on behalf of Remain lol despite Johnson being the supposed arch-Remainer and leader of the Labour In/ EUphoric or whatever fucking garbage the PLP named their campaign.

I remember him being almost invisible during the campaign and being half hearted when he did appear. He claimed he was spending all his time out campaigning on the street and at rallies to bother with the MSM, so maybe that's true.

[welshbairn]

2 minutes ago, G51 said:

If you turned it into a straight Remain vs Leave contest, you'd have gotten the same outcome as the 2016 referendum. Remain would have been whooped.

There was a compromise position available to Remainers when the indicative votes were being held - a Brexit so soft it barely counted as Brexit at all. But this wasn't acceptable to the fanatics, who could only accept some kind of annulment or reversal of 2016.

This was by far the best opportunity to avoid ending up where the UK is now, and Remainers rejected it.

There was no chance of May dropping freedom of movement exclusion so the EU wouldn't have agreed to any customs union/single market soft option. The only way it could have happened was if the opposition parties and rebel Tories united around a new leader after winning a vote of no confidence, and that wasn't going to happen either.

[G51]

4 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

There was no chance of May dropping freedom of movement exclusion so the EU wouldn't have agreed to any customs union/single market soft option. The only way it could have happened was if the opposition parties and rebel Tories united around a new leader after winning a vote of no confidence, and that wasn't going to happen either.

Sure, because according to this logic the only way of stopping Brexit was to get behind Corbyn, and stopping Corbyn was far more important than stopping Brexit to these people.