DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Bernard Jenkin on Channel 4 saying that Britain overwhelmingly voted to leave in the referendum. Is 52 to 48 overwhelming?It's like them claiming tonight that it was an overwhelming victory for May tonight and better than 2016 - conveniently ignoring the fact that there were no other candidates tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He came back with a decent deal on immigration control and made no attempt whatsoever to sell it, instead switching straight to his Scottish referendum tactics of project fear. Not a single positive message about the EU. I can't recall the particulars. It all seemed like such an irrelevance back then. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 May’s Brexit proposal is terrible and it is not just Brexiteers hardliners who should be concerned about it. The fact that there are so many Tories who are prepared to accept it shows that they are unthinking spineless fools who are more worried about what their constituents think than going back and explaining the implications to these constituents. The exact same can be said for Labour MPs who represent Leave constituencies. The DUP have a different agenda but I’m hopeful some Tories will come to the view that Remain would be a better option. They may find it difficult to support withdrawing Article 50 but might be (reluctantly) prepared to support a second referendum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Its coming in to Christmas too...it would not surprise me if May and the Tories are banking on people being distracted and softened by family time and being switched off etc...not like the homeless vote for her, foe this to rumble on longer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Also ironic yet completely unsurprising the self-confessed right winger spammers on the board doing thier best to shut down debate through sheer tedium and exhaustion. Ignore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: May’s Brexit proposal is terrible and it is not just Brexiteers hardliners who should be concerned about it. The fact that there are so many Tories who are prepared to accept it shows that they are unthinking spineless fools who are more worried about what their constituents think than going back and explaining the implications to these constituents. The exact same can be said for Labour MPs who represent Leave constituencies. The DUP have a different agenda but I’m hopeful some Tories will come to the view that Remain would be a better option. They may find it difficult to support withdrawing Article 50 but might be (reluctantly) prepared to support a second referendum. May's brexit say's nothing about a long term deal, as it can't be negotiated until after we leave. If she somehow gets it through there's still remain (reapply) all the way to WTO (if they have us) on the table. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 Article 50 will be extended and brexit will be cancelled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 17 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: May’s Brexit proposal is terrible and it is not just Brexiteers hardliners who should be concerned about it. The fact that there are so many Tories who are prepared to accept it shows that they are unthinking spineless fools who are more worried about what their constituents think than going back and explaining the implications to these constituents. The exact same can be said for Labour MPs who represent Leave constituencies. The DUP have a different agenda but I’m hopeful some Tories will come to the view that Remain would be a better option. They may find it difficult to support withdrawing Article 50 but might be (reluctantly) prepared to support a second referendum. You'd like to think that but the chances of it happening are vanishingly small. I live in a 'remain' constituency with a 'leave' MP. I emailed our MP the week before last and asked if he'd support a 2nd referendum. He did reply and mumbled something about supporting the wishes of the electorate. His big problem is the local Tory members who are almost-universally 'leavers' and are mainly retired. If he changed his view he'd face selection issues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: May's brexit say's nothing about a long term deal, as it can't be negotiated until after we leave. If she somehow gets it through there's still remain (reapply) all the way to WTO (if they have us) on the table. It’s a terrible deal because if we can’t reach a trading agreement then it’s a continuation of the transition period where we are subject to most of the existing obligations with no say or it’s the backstop that we cannot get out of without the agreement of the EU27. I’m at a loss as to why anyone thinks it a good deal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: It’s a terrible deal because if we can’t reach a trading agreement then it’s a continuation of the transition period where we are subject to most of the existing obligations with no say or it’s the backstop that we cannot get out of without the agreement of the EU27. I’m at a loss as to why anyone thinks it a good deal. It's not great but it means everything stays much the same for a few years. I'm really not that bothered if they change the toaster regulations in the meantime. The back stop is brilliant, we get full single market rights without paying anything or freedom of movement for those bothered about it. Edited December 12, 2018 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 It’s a terrible deal because if we can’t reach a trading agreement then it’s a continuation of the transition period where we are subject to most of the existing obligations with no say or it’s the backstop that we cannot get out of without the agreement of the EU27. I’m at a loss as to why anyone thinks it a good deal. Yes it's a bad deal but it could be a means to an end for the brexiteers. Only other option is no brexit. No deal will never happen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 At this stage, has there ever been two weaker and more pathetic leaders than Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn? Both just a waste of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Stuck 20 quid on Sajid Javid at 5/1 for the next leader earlier today. Reckon it’s 50/50 him or some Brexiteer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Stuck 20 quid on Sajid Javid at 5/1 for the next leader earlier today. Reckon it’s 50/50 him or some Brexiteer. He's slid into every promotion on the back of an emptying reshuffle so it's not a bad shout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 45 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Stuck 20 quid on Sajid Javid at 5/1 for the next leader earlier today. Reckon it’s 50/50 him or some Brexiteer. Think he's got no chance in the racist outposts shires, but I put a drunken £50 bet last night on May to get her deal through in 2018 at 10/1, so I'm not the man to judge. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 4 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: Bernard Jenkin on Channel 4 saying that Britain overwhelmingly voted to leave in the referendum. Is 52 to 48 overwhelming? What he means is 17 million voting for Brexit (from an electorate of 46 million) is overwhelming. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 What he means is 17 million voting for Brexit (from an electorate of 46 million) is overwhelming. It's clearly not. In what way is " less than half" overwhelming? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbitterandgrumpy Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: 19 minutes ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: What he means is 17 million voting for Brexit (from an electorate of 46 million) is overwhelming. It's clearly not. In what way is " less than half" overwhelming? Erm . . . yes . . . you're right, it's clearly not overwhelming. What was I thinking, trying to put his soundbite into context? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 It's clearly not. In what way is " less than half" overwhelming? Erm . . . yes . . . you're right, it's clearly not overwhelming. What was I thinking, trying to put his soundbite into context?It's not a soundbite, it's old-fashioned propaganda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 1 minute ago, oldbitterandgrumpy said: Erm . . . yes . . . you're right, it's clearly not overwhelming. What was I thinking, trying to put his soundbite into context? Don't put yourself down, well put. Mon the Lillywhites! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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