welshbairn Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Baxter Parp said: It costs the US taxpayer $3 million when he goes to Palm Beach for the weekend. I'm not sure if that includes the Secret Service paying him for rooms in his resort. Edited February 9, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Never used Izal bog paper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, kirkyblue2 said: Never used Izal bog paper. When I were a lad that was the only bog paper except for newspaper. At least ye could read the newspaper. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: It costs the US taxpayer $3 million when he goes to Palm Beach for the weekend. I'm not sure if that includes the Secret Service paying him for rooms in his resort. and how much does it cost us when Mrs Windsor goes tae Ascot for a week or onywhere else. No forgetting the rest of her clan. I reckon we would give the yanks a run for their (and our) money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/phoenix-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos.html?_r=0 It looks like a Mexican woman who has been living in Arizona for 21 years is in danger of getting deported under Trump. It's crazy. She paid taxes and wasn't a threat to anyone. Doing this on a large scale will literally ruin tens of thousands of ordinary people's lives and won't even unearth the real undocumented felons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkyblue2 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38852020 We do it too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, kirkyblue2 said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-38852020 We do it too. I remember that story. A woman who has been married to a British man for 27 years is being held in a Scottish detention centre prior to deportation. Irene Clennel is originally from Singapore and has two British sons and a granddaughter. She lives with her husband John in County Durham and was detained at a routine appointment at an immigration reporting centre in Middlesbrough. The Home Office has said it does not comment on individual cases. Mrs Clennel was given indefinite leave to remain in the UK after her marriage. But periods spent back in Singapore caring for her elderly parents appear to have invalidated her residential status. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Wee Willie said: and how much does it cost us when Mrs Windsor goes tae Ascot for a week or onywhere else. No forgetting the rest of her clan. I reckon we would give the yanks a run for their (and our) money. I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost $3 million dollars for Liz to go to Windsor for the weekend, or that she'd charge the Special Branch for B+B. Edited February 9, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wee Willie Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm pretty sure it doesn't cost $3 million dollars for Liz to go to Windsor for the weekend, or that she'd charge the Special Branch for B+B. Mibbe no but surely the SB should be included in any account? Presumably Trump would fly to Palm Beach in Airforce One. So an equivalent would be perhaps Lizzie (and her entourage) flying to Switzerland to visit Andrew Windsor in his Swiss Chalet. That would up the price a wee bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Wee Willie said: Mibbe no but surely the SB should be included in any account? Presumably Trump would fly to Palm Beach in Airforce One. So an equivalent would be perhaps Lizzie (and her entourage) flying to Switzerland to visit Andrew Windsor in his Swiss Chalet. That would up the price a wee bit. The Queen doesn't travel with an army, and doesn't have the Secret Service having to rent a floor in Trump Tower in New York (amazing building, best in the world, top rates) to look after Phil the Greek or in case she pops in, quite aside from Mar-a-Lago. In comparison the Royal Family spent £5.1 million last year on official visits. Trump spends $3 million every weekend. P.S. You'll be infuriated to know that you're paying 56p a year for the upkeep of the Royal Family. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cost-of-royal-family-rises-twice-as-fast-as-inflation-9563293.html Edited February 9, 2017 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Willie Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The Queen doesn't travel with an army, and doesn't have the Secret Service having to rent a floor in Trump Tower in New York (amazing building, best in the world, top rates) to look after Phil the Greek or in case she pops in, quite aside from Mar-a-Lago. In comparison the Royal Family spent £5.1 million last year on official visits. Trump spends $3 million every weekend. I presume that is the figure that is quoted but I do remember years ago that the PM of the time said that they do not discuss how much it is to guard the royal f**king family as it is an item of national security. And to me that is just an excuse to spend, spend, spend, nae questions asked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Bully Wee Villa said: Posting at... what time is it over there? You're not doing a very good job of pretending to be Murican, Swampy. Get off work at 3 am most days. 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: Aye, absolutely nothing to do with racial prejudice affecting life chances. Wiki with sources That's different than what I said. I said that even if you give black people the same income at the same points in life, they will end up on average with much, much less wealth. Differences in how wealth is handled is a massive factor in the income gap. That's specifically why reparations won't work as a long term solution for black poverty or the income gap. I was responding to a specific proposal for how to help black people in America. 8 hours ago, The OP said: I also think that generally I might face more barriers in life than someone from Newton Mearns and someone from Possil might face more barriers than me. So even if we start at the same salary there'll be differences in our ability to buy a house, the advice we can obtain about making investments, the prejudice we face in job interviews because of our social class, etc. The thing is in America most of the 'People from Possil' are black, so it's easier for bigots to portray all of their problems being down to their culture and race and it's harder for them to hide their background and overcome latent prejudice. Black people in the same credit score range are more likely to default than white people. Black people with the same income are more likely to have a low credit score. That's what I mean about habits regarding wealth leading to different outcomes even if the income is the same. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deplorable Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cerberus said: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/phoenix-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos.html?_r=0 It looks like a Mexican woman who has been living in Arizona for 21 years is in danger of getting deported under Trump. It's crazy. She paid taxes and wasn't a threat to anyone. Doing this on a large scale will literally ruin tens of thousands of ordinary people's lives and won't even unearth the real undocumented felons. The problem is that a system which allows a mass increase in the number of low skilled workers does have a mass negative effect on society as a whole and many Americans. Every week I watch Americans come into where I work and ask if we are hiring and every time they are turned away just because they are American. Illegals will work harder for 1/2 to 1/3rd as much and are easier to control as employees. That's the situation Americans on the bottom end of society are facing when they look for work. Edit: I'd also question whether she was a net taxpayer. Almost no low income workers with kids are net taxpayers. Almost no illegals with kids are net taxpayers. Edited February 9, 2017 by Deplorable 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 3 hours ago, Cerberus said: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/phoenix-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos.html?_r=0 It looks like a Mexican woman who has been living in Arizona for 21 years is in danger of getting deported under Trump. It's crazy. She paid taxes and wasn't a threat to anyone. Doing this on a large scale will literally ruin tens of thousands of ordinary people's lives and won't even unearth the real undocumented felons. Woman enters country illegally, uses fake social security number, gets kicked out country. Terrible for her and her family, but by the letter of the law entirely fair. I'm firmly on the fence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, Paco said: Woman enters country illegally, uses fake social security number, gets kicked out country. Terrible for her and her family, but by the letter of the law entirely fair. I'm firmly on the fence. She was 14 when she arrived and her only offence over 21 years was inventing a social security number to get a job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 I'm firmly on the fence. Better get off before the wall goes up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, welshbairn said: She was 14 when she arrived and her only offence over 21 years was inventing a social security number to get a job. The despicable bitch! I hope they flog her within an inch of her life before sending her back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 It's a shame. Her life has been ruined to make a point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The despicable bitch! I hope they flog her within an inch of her life before sending her back. Definitely. Entering the country illegally and bloody working for her living. Absolute disgrace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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