Detournement Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) The lack of respect for veterans story seems to come down to the Trump being German and having a different view on WW2 from most people in America. Edited September 4, 2020 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Trump is 100% right about this. Anyone who volunteers to be cannon fodder for the US military is an idiot! Can’t imagine being on the left and getting mad about this, it’s objectively funny and winds up all the worst people. The thing about being driven solely by spite is that you occasionally land on the right target and his hatred of John McCain is entirely correct. Awful man. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, G51 said: The only thing that will topple the US dollar is a fundamental change within the West that breaks the neoliberal consensus, which in turn will break our acceptance of microeconomics as the one true economic theory. It has enjoyed near theological status since the days of Thatcher and Regan. It's easy to speculate what might cause this - a 2008-style collapse of the financial sector (much more likely than many think at the minute), the election of a Western government that rejects the theory and starts a chain reaction (i.e. if Corbyn had been elected in 2019), a global co-ordinated strike/action on climate change. Who knows. But it is coming - the current condition of the planet means that it has to. And that is what will lead to the downfall of the US, and it's dollar. People who came of age in the 80's and 90's grew up in a time of relative stability and believe that this stability is the norm for Western democracies. It is not. Democracies are turbulent by their very nature - the idea that you can vote for one set of rules, and then another completely different set of rules five years later means they have to be. If your democracies are not turbulent, then you don't really have a democracy, you have a one-party state in all but name. The older folk among us should be prepared for a whole lot more turbulence coming very soon. Bwah ha ha! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, G51 said: People who came of age in the 80's and 90's grew up in a time of relative stability and believe that this stability is the norm for Western democracies. Everyone thinks the current time is the most unstable and chaotic there's ever been, I remember the 80's kicking off with widespread fear of imminent nuclear war, followed by the annihilation of heavy industry, ferocious riots and mounted police charging down miners in full scale field battles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Everyone thinks the current time is the most unstable and chaotic there's ever been, I remember the 80's kicking off with widespread fear of imminent nuclear war, followed by the annihilation of heavy industry, ferocious riots and mounted police charging down miners in full scale field battles. Maybe the major difference is that, at least looking back, the ghouls in charge seemed to have some semblance of a vision and were vindicated with the undisputed victory of capital with the collapse of the USSR and the end of history. Now it’s just a shambling zombie that refuses to die and has nothing to put it out it’s misery. Oh and the Anthropocene. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Maybe the major difference is that, at least looking back, the ghouls in charge seemed to have some semblance of a vision and were vindicated with the undisputed victory of capital with the collapse of the USSR and the end of history. Now it’s just a shambling zombie that refuses to die and has nothing to put it out it’s misery. Oh and the Anthropocene. My 93 year old mother was saying the other day pretty well the same, in the past, even if you didn't agree with politicians you thought they at least had some idea of what they were doing and some level of competence in carrying it out. Now they seem clueless, incapable and totally out of their depth. It's pretty well impossible to find anything they stand for apart from taking sides in twitter wars. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Detournement said: Trump is 100% right about this. Anyone who volunteers to be cannon fodder for the US military is an idiot! You maybe need to visit small town America a bit more to see why they escape to their only viable option. Many if not most do it to get the delayed college tuition after their time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, BillyAnchor said: You maybe need to visit small town America a bit more to see why they escape to their only viable option. Many if not most do it to get the delayed college tuition after their time. Killing Iraqis to get college tuition is not an acceptable trade off M8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Owning Trump by *checks notes* cheerleading the marines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 The polls suggest trying to blame Democrats for the protests and riots isn't working. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-law-and-order-message-isnt-resonating-with-most-americans/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Detournement said: Killing Iraqis to get college tuition is not an acceptable trade off M8 Im not disagreeing in the slightest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Of all the things he has said, this one is the one that puts his team into panic mode? Americans have a weird military fetish. Because a) the Daily Kos didn’t conduct the poll - professional pollsters did. And b) pizza-gate, stolen server, QAnon 9/11 truthers are winning Republican party primaries all over the shop. Trump has called QAnon followers patriots who love their country, and because QAnon theories actually seem to influence voting intentions. Last of all, it isn’t the “average” American “on the street” who is going to turn this election. Its a very select demographic in about half a dozen states. The flaws in a poll depend on the techniques involved in collating it, not in who conducts it. Hence Fox News polls are consistently highly regarded, for the most part. Agree to disagree. The far left and far right get people all riled up that the other is going completely insane over tinpot issues, but as Bush 41 stated, (paraphrasing), "Forty percent of the country is going to vote Democrat, 40 is going to vote Republican, it's the middle 20 that decide an election." That's still true today. And you're right in the sense that 4 states (Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan) will decide the election, but it won't be because of anything Qanon or the tinpots on the left or right say, it'll be because people still mainly vote with their wallet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanFan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 hours ago, BillyAnchor said: You maybe need to visit small town America a bit more to see why they escape to their only viable option. Many if not most do it to get the delayed college tuition after their time. This is accurate. Although I would say since many grew up dirt poor, most do it just to have some sort of normal food/shelter in their life. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Newsnight reporting that Fox News are going in hard on this today; if so this could be big trouble for Trump https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/09/trump-americans-who-died-at-war-are-losers-and-suckers/615997/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Savage Henry said: Of all the things he has said, this one is the one that puts his team into panic mode? Americans have a weird military fetish. Because a) the Daily Kos didn’t conduct the poll - professional pollsters did. And b) pizza-gate, stolen server, QAnon 9/11 truthers are winning Republican party primaries all over the shop. Trump has called QAnon followers patriots who love their country, and because QAnon theories actually seem to influence voting intentions. Last of all, it isn’t the “average” American “on the street” who is going to turn this election. Its a very select demographic in about half a dozen states. The flaws in a poll depend on the techniques involved in collating it, not in who conducts it. Hence Fox News polls are consistently highly regarded, for the most part. Had a look into the pollsters and they are owned by the same guy who founded Daily Kos. Doesn't mean they're unreliable but might skew the questions. And it's internet polling only, which could raise the percentage of fruitloops by a statistically significant margin. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/12/1748087/-Announcing-Civiqs-the-coolest-thing-I-ve-helped-build-since-Daily-Kos Edited September 4, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Trump said on television that he was so upset about not being able to visit the Aisne-Marne cemetery and memorial outside of Paris, that he phoned Melania back in New York to tell her how upset he was. She was with him in Paris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Savage Henry Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: Had a look into the pollsters and they are owned by the same guy who founded Daily Kos. Doesn't mean they're unreliable but might skew the questions. And it's internet polling only, which could raise the percentage of fruitloops by a statistically significant margin. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/12/1748087/-Announcing-Civiqs-the-coolest-thing-I-ve-helped-build-since-Daily-Kos This is fair. I stand by my point though, the flaws are in the system, not in the commissioner. 7 hours ago, MONKMAN said: Trump said on television that he was so upset about not being able to visit the Aisne-Marne cemetery and memorial outside of Paris, that he phoned Melania back in New York to tell her how upset he was. She was with him in Paris. Those helicopters are also all weather vehicles. And he could have driven. He was just too scared to go. Not enough of this was made at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 Lolza. Don't disrespect my war criminal brother! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 10 hours ago, AmericanFan said: Agree to disagree. The far left and far right get people all riled up that the other is going completely insane over tinpot issues, but as Bush 41 stated, (paraphrasing), "Forty percent of the country is going to vote Democrat, 40 is going to vote Republican, it's the middle 20 that decide an election." That's still true today. And you're right in the sense that 4 states (Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Michigan) will decide the election, but it won't be because of anything Qanon or the tinpots on the left or right say, it'll be because people still mainly vote with their wallet. That is 100% correct and what a lot of people over here will never grasp as they tend to compare US electorate with how the UK electorate respond and vote, you have to have worked with the average American and lived in the USA to get to know a little of their political nous. A clear example of this is how they voted for Trump as President knowing full well he had no political background, was a showman, a virtual fraud and yet because he displayed the air of a billionaire and flew to his rallies in his own plane he ended up President, and you know what there is a possibility that even with all the shite he has thrown around they could re-elect him. If you look back at previous Presidents they have voted in, crooks, B movie failed actors etc etc, you get the picture. And Biden for fucksake, unfuckinbelievable, the man is senile and he's running against a senile psychopath. American politics??????????????????????? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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