Paco Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If anyone is looking for a constructive look at the Clinton campaign, I’d recommend the book ‘Shattered’ by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. Both unashamed Clinton lovers, both fully-fledged ‘coastal elites’ taking it apart piece by piece with no holds barred - they had exclusive access from the very start of the campaign and it paints an honest picture of what we all knew Clinton was like pre-election, rather than what was pretended she was like when it became Trump she was facing. An interesting read rather than the hot take of ‘it was Russia wot won it’. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 The Dems have not learned the lessons of Clinton. The fact that she won the popular vote has won her kudos that are counterproductive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 If anyone is looking for a constructive look at the Clinton campaign, I’d recommend the book ‘Shattered’ by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. Both unashamed Clinton lovers, both fully-fledged ‘coastal elites’ taking it apart piece by piece with no holds barred - they had exclusive access from the very start of the campaign and it paints an honest picture of what we all knew Clinton was like pre-election, rather than what was pretended she was like when it became Trump she was facing. An interesting read rather than the hot take of ‘it was Russia wot won it’. If you’re interested in introspection from an insane person, read Donna Brazile’s book. Genuinely class. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 37 minutes ago, NotThePars said: If you’re interested in introspection from an insane person, read Donna Brazile’s book. Genuinely class. I remember the fuss when one of the Podesta emails said that she told Clinton that she was likely to get a question about lead contaminated water at a debate in Flint. The place that had just had about the worst case of water supply contamination in US history. I suspect Clinton had already anticipated the topic coming up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Elizabeth Warren announcing that she wants to challenge in 2020. She’s 69. This might come across as ageist, but is a 71 year old with potentially 8 years ahead of them in office a good thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Granny Danger said: Elizabeth Warren announcing that she wants to challenge in 2020. She’s 69. This might come across as ageist, but is a 71 year old with potentially 8 years ahead of them in office a good thing? Bernie Sanders is 77. She doesn't strike me as too bright tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: This might come across as ageist, but is a 71 year old with potentially 8 years ahead of them in office a good thing? No. No one over the age of 25 should be allowed to run for public office. And no one over the age of 50 should be allowed to vote. Edited December 31, 2018 by TheIntenseHummingOfEvil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: Bernie Sanders is 77. She doesn't strike me as too bright tbh. Better off with Colonel Sanders. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Trump will be delighted if it is Warren he is up against - he'll play the Pocahontas liar card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 35 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Bernie Sanders is 77. She doesn't strike me as too bright tbh. Sanders would have been the right candidate in a one-off situation where the electorate were looking for a maverick option. He would be the wrong candidate next time around even if he was 10 years younger. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 The American news channels are going 24/7 on Trump's tweets and ignoring stories like this which would have been front page in normal times. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/world/asia/cia-afghanistan-strike-force.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Granny Danger said: Sanders would have been the right candidate in a one-off situation where the electorate were looking for a maverick option. I remember back in 2016 there seemed to be a common opinion online that Sanders would have won the election if he had ran instead of Clinton. I'm not convinced he would have won, but he would perhaps have been more appealing to leftwing voters than Clinton. He strikes me as a bit Corbyn-esque, in the way that he advocates alot of theoretically good ideas but doesn't have enough about him as a politician to ever get to implement the things he advocates. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 The American news channels are going 24/7 on Trump's tweets and ignoring stories like this which would have been front page in normal times.https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/world/asia/cia-afghanistan-strike-force.htmlBy contemporary American standards these ARE normal times. There is very little light at the end of the political tunnel, and rather than the Trump presidency being a ghastly aberration it may have created a template for a conveyor belt of right-wing nutjobs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: The American news channels are going 24/7 on Trump's tweets and ignoring stories like this which would have been front page in normal times. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/world/asia/cia-afghanistan-strike-force.html Not too bothered about what used to be called ( in Vietnam at least )..... Hearts and Minds. Plain fact is, the US in Afghanistan are just invaders. TheTaliban are the local people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 I remember back in 2016 there seemed to be a common opinion online that Sanders would have won the election if he had ran instead of Clinton. I'm not convinced he would have won, but he would perhaps have been more appealing to leftwing voters than Clinton. He strikes me as a bit Corbyn-esque, in the way that he advocates alot of theoretically good ideas but doesn't have enough about him as a politician to ever get to implement the things he advocates.He wouldnt have got anywhere close 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, doulikefish said: 47 minutes ago, TheIntenseHummingOfEvil said: I remember back in 2016 there seemed to be a common opinion online that Sanders would have won the election if he had ran instead of Clinton. I'm not convinced he would have won, but he would perhaps have been more appealing to leftwing voters than Clinton. He strikes me as a bit Corbyn-esque, in the way that he advocates alot of theoretically good ideas but doesn't have enough about him as a politician to ever get to implement the things he advocates. He wouldnt have got anywhere close The various polls suggested otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 Sanders would have won. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 We keep having this conversation, but Bernie Sanders would've been shot if it had ever looked like he had a serious chance of becoming president. Genuinely; flat-out killed. There's a substantial number of Americans who conflate Socialism with Satanism, and they're the ones with the guns. I can't even imagine what a politician on the national stage in the UK would have to believe in to be so fundamentally repulsive to such a large portion of the electorate. Full-bore fascism, probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 46 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: We keep having this conversation, but Bernie Sanders would've been shot if it had ever looked like he had a serious chance of becoming president. Genuinely; flat-out killed. There's a substantial number of Americans who conflate Socialism with Satanism, and they're the ones with the guns. I can't even imagine what a politician on the national stage in the UK would have to believe in to be so fundamentally repulsive to such a large portion of the electorate. Full-bore fascism, probably. No. Full blown socialism maybe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Elizabeth Warren trying to appeal to the voters in the same way that AOC does with the live streams FFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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