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If anyone is looking for a constructive look at the Clinton campaign, I’d recommend the book ‘Shattered’ by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. Both unashamed Clinton lovers, both fully-fledged ‘coastal elites’ taking it apart piece by piece with no holds barred - they had exclusive access from the very start of the campaign and it paints an honest picture of what we all knew Clinton was like pre-election, rather than what was pretended she was like when it became Trump she was facing.

An interesting read rather than the hot take of ‘it was Russia wot won it’.

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If anyone is looking for a constructive look at the Clinton campaign, I’d recommend the book ‘Shattered’ by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes. Both unashamed Clinton lovers, both fully-fledged ‘coastal elites’ taking it apart piece by piece with no holds barred - they had exclusive access from the very start of the campaign and it paints an honest picture of what we all knew Clinton was like pre-election, rather than what was pretended she was like when it became Trump she was facing.

An interesting read rather than the hot take of ‘it was Russia wot won it’.


If you’re interested in introspection from an insane person, read Donna Brazile’s book. Genuinely class.
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37 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 


If you’re interested in introspection from an insane person, read Donna Brazile’s book. Genuinely class.

 

I remember the fuss when one of the Podesta emails said that she told Clinton that she was likely to get a question about lead contaminated water at a debate in Flint. The place that had just had about the worst case of water supply contamination in US history. I suspect Clinton had already anticipated the topic coming up.

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1 minute ago, Granny Danger said:

Elizabeth Warren announcing that she wants to challenge in 2020.  She’s 69.  

This might come across as ageist, but is a 71 year old with potentially 8 years ahead of them in office a good thing?

 

 

Bernie Sanders is 77. She doesn't strike me as too bright tbh.

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3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

This might come across as ageist, but is a 71 year old with potentially 8 years ahead of them in office a good thing?

No.

No one over the age of 25 should be allowed to run for public office.

And no one over the age of 50 should be allowed to vote.

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35 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

Bernie Sanders is 77. She doesn't strike me as too bright tbh.

Sanders would have been the right candidate in a one-off situation where the electorate were looking for a maverick option.

He would be the wrong candidate next time around even if he was 10 years younger.

 

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1 hour ago, Granny Danger said:

Sanders would have been the right candidate in a one-off situation where the electorate were looking for a maverick option.

I remember back in 2016 there seemed to be a common opinion online that Sanders would have won the election if he had ran instead of Clinton. I'm not convinced he would have won, but he would perhaps have been more appealing to leftwing voters than Clinton.

He strikes me as a bit Corbyn-esque, in the way that he advocates alot of theoretically good ideas but doesn't have enough about him as a politician to ever get to implement the things he advocates.

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The American news channels are going 24/7 on Trump's tweets and ignoring stories like this which would have been front page in normal times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/world/asia/cia-afghanistan-strike-force.html
By contemporary American standards these ARE normal times. There is very little light at the end of the political tunnel, and rather than the Trump presidency being a ghastly aberration it may have created a template for a conveyor belt of right-wing nutjobs.
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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:

The American news channels are going 24/7 on Trump's tweets and ignoring stories like this which would have been front page in normal times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/world/asia/cia-afghanistan-strike-force.html

Not too bothered about what used to be called ( in Vietnam at least )..... Hearts and Minds.

Plain fact is, the US in Afghanistan are just invaders.   TheTaliban are the local people. 

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I remember back in 2016 there seemed to be a common opinion online that Sanders would have won the election if he had ran instead of Clinton. I'm not convinced he would have won, but he would perhaps have been more appealing to leftwing voters than Clinton.
He strikes me as a bit Corbyn-esque, in the way that he advocates alot of theoretically good ideas but doesn't have enough about him as a politician to ever get to implement the things he advocates.
He wouldnt have got anywhere close
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6 minutes ago, doulikefish said:
47 minutes ago, TheIntenseHummingOfEvil said:
I remember back in 2016 there seemed to be a common opinion online that Sanders would have won the election if he had ran instead of Clinton. I'm not convinced he would have won, but he would perhaps have been more appealing to leftwing voters than Clinton.
He strikes me as a bit Corbyn-esque, in the way that he advocates alot of theoretically good ideas but doesn't have enough about him as a politician to ever get to implement the things he advocates.

He wouldnt have got anywhere close

The various polls suggested otherwise.

 

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We keep having this conversation, but Bernie Sanders would've been shot if it had ever looked like he had a serious chance of becoming president.

Genuinely; flat-out killed. There's a substantial number of Americans who conflate Socialism with Satanism, and they're the ones with the guns. I can't even imagine what a politician on the national stage in the UK would have to believe in to be so fundamentally repulsive to such a large portion of the electorate. Full-bore fascism, probably.

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46 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said:

We keep having this conversation, but Bernie Sanders would've been shot if it had ever looked like he had a serious chance of becoming president.

Genuinely; flat-out killed. There's a substantial number of Americans who conflate Socialism with Satanism, and they're the ones with the guns. I can't even imagine what a politician on the national stage in the UK would have to believe in to be so fundamentally repulsive to such a large portion of the electorate. Full-bore fascism, probably.

No.  Full blown socialism maybe.

 

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