Monkey Tennis Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 8 hours ago, They think its all over said: Def' New stadium and centre of excellence to try and push this countries national game where it should be. With the complex having an educational centre for upcoming youth players to attend, and all budding youth players taken out of demoralising 'club' systems and coached by a Scottish coaching system for the national interests in the game and not for individual club gain. With youth players reaching a level of of excellence before being drafted to club system at an age suitable for them to deal with the pro stage. And wait for it............... built in central Scotland. No not the central belt. Stirling/Perthshire. Unlike the Scottish Sport Centre at Inverclyde, which is closer to Ireland than most of Scotland!!! Why, of course. I've no idea why they've not just done this already. Do you think they could put in a cable car between the stadium and my house? I'd find that really handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worktheshaft Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Stirling shout is fucking mental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 9 minutes ago, Worktheshaft said: Stirling shout is fucking mental. Are they like Falkirk Fear and Section B? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranaldo Bairn Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 8 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: 100k capacity stadium in Auchterarder with a direct Monorail/vacuum tube link from every town in Scotland. An international airport, spaceport and a Bella Italia to also be built alongside the stadium. Only if the mighty Auchterarder Primrose get to groundshare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Stirling shout is fucking mental.I agree. The new stadium should be in Perth. It would be the jewel in the crown of #perthshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 On 28/03/2017 at 21:59, K77 said: The 2nd photo is a good indication of just how much Hampden has been reduced over the years. As I understand it the old seated top tier of the north stand required to be upgraded to meet the current building regulations but it would have cost more to upgrade the existing stand than to demolish it and build a new one. So they simply demolished it. Not too sure why the old terrace underneath was abandoned. I remember the first time I stood there in the 80's as a kid and being baffled by the vast area behind the access/exit portals. It just seemed such a waste. Also I have never heard a reason for removing the top section of the east terrace at the same time. As mentioned the current Hampden is pretty much a reclad of the existing earth banks from the original construction ~100 years ago, plus new roof. Earth banks were pretty much the stadium state of the art back then but redundant for the most part today. While it is feasible to square off the ends this would require a complete demolition of the east and west stands. Demolition alone would be expensive as you would have to deconstruct the existing roof in a manner that does not affect the existing north and south stands. Following that you need to remove the earth banks and that is where a lot of money may be required that may not be obvious to all. Removal of material to landfill is subject to a tax, and the threshold on what is classed as hazardous material is pretty low these days. Even 'non-hazardous waste' can still generate eye watering costs dependent on volumes. Given the date of construction of the earth banks plus the abundance of heavy industry in the area at the time (where the surplus material may have came from) there is potential that the earth banks contain some particularly nasty contaminants. Together with the volumes involved it could be several million just the clear the site even before the new stands build cost. At a rough guess, I doubt there would be much change out of £50million to build two square stands to maintain a similar overall capacity. Slight additional problem that the existing north and south stands are tapered to tie into the curve of the east and west bowls. In order to maximise capacity and sight lines would probably require a remodification of the end blocks in line with each goal line. That alone would be several million. With regard to the earth banks, firstly some must have been removed for the top section of the East terrace in the 80's and that would give an indication of what is under the terraces as they stand just now. However some of the stadium is a natural bowl according to this historic Queens Park website http://www.qpfc.com/hampden/hampden04.htm "The land itself was in a natural bowl shape before Queen's bought it, and this assisted the structure of the terracing of the ground, which unusually was built on solid ground, rather than on wooden or metal supports as was common at most football grounds at the time. The bowl also meant that the playing area was 33 feet below Somerville Drive." The proposed squared off ends probably would not have many facilities requiring a lot of space so it may even be possible to build them with the remaining terrace in place as they have done at Leipzig The North stand should be closer to the South stand but the costs for moving it a few metres probably mean it remains as it is but both ends could be converted into large single tier structures with a relatively steep rake to enhance the viewing from behind the goal. With the nature of the game here we need to keep both ends the same otherwise one side will say they have an advantage or a better facility. The South stand could come around the corner slightly and the second tier then stop above the rising squared off end. However the roof may be the biggest cost issue, as you state its all connected and I don't know the effect of removing the ends on this structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Malcolm Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, realmadrid said: With regard to the earth banks, firstly some must have been removed for the top section of the East terrace in the 80's and that would give an indication of what is under the terraces as they stand just now. However some of the stadium is a natural bowl according to this historic Queens Park website http://www.qpfc.com/hampden/hampden04.htm "The land itself was in a natural bowl shape before Queen's bought it, and this assisted the structure of the terracing of the ground, which unusually was built on solid ground, rather than on wooden or metal supports as was common at most football grounds at the time. The bowl also meant that the playing area was 33 feet below Somerville Drive." The proposed squared off ends probably would not have many facilities requiring a lot of space so it may even be possible to build them with the remaining terrace in place as they have done at Leipzig The North stand should be closer to the South stand but the costs for moving it a few metres probably mean it remains as it is but both ends could be converted into large single tier structures with a relatively steep rake to enhance the viewing from behind the goal. With the nature of the game here we need to keep both ends the same otherwise one side will say they have an advantage or a better facility. The South stand could come around the corner slightly and the second tier then stop above the rising squared off end. However the roof may be the biggest cost issue, as you state its all connected and I don't know the effect of removing the ends on this structure. That is very, very cool. Why are the German so good at this stuff while we persist in being short sighted, unimaginative shitebags? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Def' New stadium and centre of excellence to try and push this countries national game where it should be. With the complex having an educational centre for upcoming youth players to attend, and all budding youth players taken out of demoralising 'club' systems and coached by a Scottish coaching system for the national interests in the game and not for individual club gain. With youth players reaching a level of of excellence before being drafted to club system at an age suitable for them to deal with the pro stage. And wait for it............... built in central Scotland. No not the central belt. Stirling/Perthshire. Unlike the Scottish Sport Centre at Inverclyde, which is closer to Ireland than most of Scotland!!! Why would the new central academy need to be next to the national stadium? And are you suggesting that young talent should be commuting to Perthshire, or are they staying on site in some kind of footballing Hogwarts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellAnderson Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 46 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: And are you suggesting that young talent should be commuting to Perthshire, or are they staying on site in some kind of footballing Hogwarts? Harry Souttar and the Trequartista's Stone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 50 minutes ago, RussellAnderson said: Harry Souttar and the Trequartista's Stone. It's an improvement on Goodwillie's Magic Wand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Malcolm Malcolm said: That is very, very cool. Why are the German so good at this stuff while we persist in being short sighted, unimaginative shitebags? Germans decided to ditch short sightedness after the 1940s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Malcolm Malcolm said: That is very, very cool. Why are the German so good at this stuff while we persist in being short sighted, unimaginative shitebags? Leipzig is a weird one. The old ground was the East German National Stadium. And home to Lokomotiv Leipzig who were a big club under communism but failed to survive in the new germany. They also have the distinction of being eliminated from Europe by Hearts, Hibs and Kilmarnock The City council inherited the massive concrete bowl and handled the rebuilding project but for a long time the city didn't actually have a serious football club to fill it Sachen Leipzig played 4th tier football there for a few years after it reopened in 2004 It was only after a decade that Red Bull stuck their money behind a Leipzig club and propelled them from regional football in 2012-13 to 2nd in the Bundesliga today From being less than half full in 2014 RB Leipzig are now pretty much filling the ground. Sachen Leipzig who had previously turned down Red Bull have vanished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 1 hour ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Leipzig is a weird one. The old ground was the East German National Stadium. And home to Lokomotiv Leipzig who were a big club under communism but failed to survive in the new germany. They also have the distinction of being eliminated from Europe by Hearts, Hibs and Kilmarnock The City council inherited the massive concrete bowl and handled the rebuilding project but for a long time the city didn't actually have a serious football club to fill it Sachen Leipzig played 4th tier football there for a few years after it reopened in 2004 It was only after a decade that Red Bull stuck their money behind a Leipzig club and propelled them from regional football in 2012-13 to 2nd in the Bundesliga today From being less than half full in 2014 RB Leipzig are now pretty much filling the ground. Sachen Leipzig who had previously turned down Red Bull have vanished Good for Sachen, I say. A bit of pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 If they extended the upper tear around the whole stadium it would look a lot better. Transport is fine, I don't know why people moan so much about it. I wouldn't care if we got tuffed out of hampden though in the future. Transport is fine if you live in Glasgow. At the league cup final there were Dons buses waiting to leave that were still in view on Hampden an hour after full time due to the traffic (even though several fans left long before the final whistle. This was 5pm on a Sunday as well, hardly peak time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Malcolm Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 7 hours ago, Forever_blueco said: Germans decided to ditch short sightedness after the 1940s That's not a bad response TBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 According to the Ordnance Survey, the centre of mainland Scotland is 5km East of Schiehallion at NN7673153751 (56°39′33.86″N 4°0′40.37″W) Therefore this is where any new national stadium should be built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 5 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: According to the Ordnance Survey, the centre of mainland Scotland is 5km East of Schiehallion at NN7673153751 (56°39′33.86″N 4°0′40.37″W) Therefore this is where any new national stadium should be built. So, on top of all the other obstacles, we've also got a mountain to climb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 1 minute ago, Ross. said: So, on top of all the other obstacles, we've also got a mountain to climb? It will certainly be rather hilly. Google Maps certainly show that it would be a somewhat challenging location for the construction crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RussellAnderson Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Fucking beautiful place. That's how to give visiting international fans a taste of Scotland. Or they could just serve it in the stadium bar... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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