The OP Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, DI Bruce Robertson said: Be great if the Queen told May to f**k off, as despite previous thinking the DUP are too toxic for the Queen. Probz not tho. As much as I dislike the Tories and DUP sound like c***s the thought of the Queen using any actual power is terrible imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Scary Bear said: Whatever happened 500k SNP voters have went somewhere. The inquest will undoubtedly be to find out where they've gone. The Tories picked up 300k votes and Labour support stayed static. My guess is that quite a lot of Yes/SNP voters jumped on the Corbyn bandwagon. A lot of the more unionist Labour and Lib Dem voters went for the Tories. And this shuffle across left the SNP down 500k votes, Labour avoiding total collapse of their support and the Tories on a winner. Some of them have undoubtedly went back to Labour. Not to Dugdale's "SEND STURGEON A MESSAGE" Labour but Corbyn's socialist Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just now, The OP said: As much as I dislike the Tories and DUP sound like c***s the thought of the Queen using any actual power is terrible imo. And it's the wrong party that is involved for her to do a Gough Whitlam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Just got a leaflet from the Lib dems saying only they can beat the SNP here. How'd that work lads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 20 minutes ago, Ivo den Bieman said: The SNP lost so much ground due to 1. a pisspoor, lacklustre campaign 2. being outflanked on the left by Labour 3. In Angus / NE, the return of the county set to the voting booths, spooked by land reform 4. the weaponising of the constituional issue; feel its unfair to blame Sturgeon for calling indyref 2, as no one predicted back then that a snap election would be called; timing was unfortunate for her 5. vote squeezed badly in the UK context 6. complacency amongst the SNP support Looking back this bloody nose may be no bad thing for the SNP. Will force them to up their game and realise that nothing in politics is for ever. Hopefully a more radical manifseto next time, and learning the lesson that they have no automatic right to count on the support of the whole Yes movement. I think that this analysis is pretty much spot on. A lot depends on how the party intends to make use of the big-hitters who for the first time in a while aren't representing a constituency. The likes of Robertson, Salmond and John Nicholson should be given free rein to assess why their local and general election campaigns this year have been lacklustre affairs and get any failing party strategists emptied. If the current Parliament holds then the spectre of indyref2 should be off the table anyway - retaining entry to the Single Market would surely be the only deal able to pass. Taking that off the agenda gives the SNP no real excuse to shy away from reforms on issues such as the council tax and probably the Scottish education sector that have been festering for years now. The key election for the SNP is always the Holyrood one - a platform based on good governance and more powers to Holyrood, with the entry of Robertson etc. to front-bench politics at Holyrood is on paper a more than credible prospect for the next election there in 2021 (?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 did ye? I did actually when it happened.Surprised myself . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If there is a second General Election then the SNP need to start now with a coherent plan to expose Davidson and Dugdale's con trick. That sadly means moving things completely away from the independence agenda and showing the Tories and SLab for the opportunistic wankers they are. Reminding the unionists that they are the Scottish National Party and not just the Scottish Nationalist Party may be a good start. If most people think that independence is dead in the water (myself included) then they really need to make sure they don't suffer from a UKIP-type redundancy collapse. Also acknowledge that the electorate have spoken and they'll focus on having the strongest voice for anti-austerity over two weak, subservient and broken-record branch offices simply towing the rUK party line. Make it clear what sort of Tory policies people just voted for (something that was agonisingly lacking in the campaign up here), highlight what could have seriously happened here and stress that biting off your nose to spite your face is a particularly bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernardblack Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Still fuming that people voted Tory in Scotland to avoid a referendum. Now we're stuck with this mess all over again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 If there is a second General Election then the SNP need to start now with a coherent plan to expose Davidson and Dugdale's con trick. That sadly means moving things completely away from the independence agenda and showing the Tories and SLab for the opportunistic wankers they are. Stop bring complacent and start getting as nasty as these shitebags are. Never learn will you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 10 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Will be interesting to see if Sinn Fein will listen to voices like this. There was a time when sitting at Stormont was completely unthinkable for them as well, so I wouldn't completely rule out that they'll show up at Westminster just to cause havoc. Can never understand why they bother even standing if they have no intention of using their positions. It must cost a certain amount of money to stand for election, why waste it? As the old saying goes it is surely better being on the inside and pissing out rather than being on the outside pissing in. No matter what their beliefs are they will always have no chance making even the slightest difference if they are unprepared to voice their concerns in open parliament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Anyone hear Nick Robinson on R4 talking to Owen Jones, honestly thought he was going to start greeting. Mwahh, mwahh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Doubt it, despite losing we've done better than we were expected to. I think he will stay. Better than expected! Bit of an understatement. Jezza powered Labour received 3.5 million more votes than Milliband managed.To be fair to May, she got more votes than Tony Blair managed in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Kensignton and Chelsea goes labour,we truly are living in mental times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not happy with Scotland and Northern Ireland inflicting a Tory government on the English! [emoji35] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty_j Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 May though, still talking shite that meant they spunked loads of seats. Sounds like a Coalition of Chaos with a bunch of homphobes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 As a pre-condition to talks the DUP are wanting a job creation scheme for NI- -they want to build a big wall at the border and get the Republic to pay for it. Two blokes in a white van from Antrim have already promised to build it for them and tarmac the Stormont driveway too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmc Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Better than expected! Bit of an understatement. Jezza powered Labour received 3.5 million more votes than Milliband managed.To be fair to May, she got more votes than Tony Blair managed in 1997. If the plp had backed him from the beginning they would be forming the new govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanny paddery Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Kensignton and Chelsea goes labour,we truly are living in mental times Another recount at 6pm apparently, less than 20 in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Not happy with Scotland and Northern Ireland inflicting a Tory government on the English! [emoji35] Surely you can see how the United Kingdom doesn't make any sense now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Better than expected! Bit of an understatement. Jezza powered Labour received 3.5 million more votes than Milliband managed.To be fair to May, she got more votes than Tony Blair managed in 1997. We've had a good campaign, but ultimately we didn't win so would stop short of calling this a good election. What heartened me a lot is how unexpectedly good Corbyn was on the campaign trail, he looked assured in the debates, looked at ease with the public, and crucially someone had spent a lot of time looking at the (entirely predictable) Tory attacks and they came up with effective ways of sidestepping them and dealing with them. They managed to run the agenda and take it away from our perceived weaknesses and kept May on the back foot, she played into our hands wonderfully and clearly didn't realise until it was far too late.The other thing is the party unity throughout the campaign has been good, Corbyn has a lot of very vocal critics in the party but the unity shown in the campaign was great and it's a reminder that Labour are a broad movement of ideologies and that our strength lies in our ability to work alongside the other wings, something that worked really well.Finally the manifesto was a good, Labour, manifesto. Corbyn did what nobody expected him to and compromised. He kept elements of his politics but our campaign and manifesto was based on Labour ideals that the vast majority of members support. Corbyn's pragmatism in this campaign has been a very welcome surprise.We didn't win, but I would have bitten your hand off for this at the start of the campaign and the future of the party looks bright. Never have I been so happy to be proven wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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